Re: Rinya cases

Ha, ha, ha! It's so obvious. How come no one=20
though of that? Well, there was one: Jennifer
Barefoot. She came up with the idea, and when
I looked deeper into it, it was all so clear.

Look at this: (from the Tokana grammar)

THEME/ABSOLUTIVE: the participant undergoing=20
the event; the one that the event 'happens to'
- often the participant undergoing an event=20
of motion.

SOURCE/ABLATIVE: the point at which the theme
originates, or the direction from which=20
movement or the theme occurs.

If you, as Christophe suggested, take the
SOURCE definition metaphorically, it's just
what I'm looking for.

Thus:

Will.ABS saw the mouse.ABLATIVE

Why invent a totally new case like 'Objective'
or 'originative' or even 'delative' when I can
use 'ablative' perfectly well. And the 'covert
antipassive' idea still works with this solution.

Also, Matt, I used the idea from the Tokana
grammar to arrange the cases and semantic roles
in columns to make it easier to see which case=20
should go with which semantic role. I hope that
was okay.=20
It really facilitated the whole thing
and I gained a whole lot of understanding about
cases and semantic roles.=20

Some ideas are pretty neat, I think. What do you
think of this example below? Does it seem ok?

The mother.ABL told her child.DAT a story.ABS

ABL =3D Ablative =3D Source
DAT =3D Dative =3D Recipient
ABS =3D Absolutive =3D patient/theme/result/range

Ablative is used for all speech related verbs.

The whole table is almost done, and I have uploaded
a preliminary draft at:
http://hem1.passagen.se/noldo/roles.html

Comments?

Daniel
http://conlang.nu