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Re: Retroflex vowels?

From:Elliott Lash <al260@...>
Date:Sunday, January 27, 2002, 6:44
 Tristan Alexander McLeay <anstouh@...> writes:

> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Roger Mills wrote: > > > Interesting. Amer.Engl. /ow/ (as in pole) and /U/ (as in pull) are > > undergoing merger in some dialects-- but mainly before /r/; I think this > > started in NYC speech. Thus "sure" and "shore" are becoming homophones or > > nearly so. I hadn't heard of it before /l/, but it's not surprising since > > /r/ and /l/ are somewhat similar. > > I suspect it has more to do with the velarized /l/ than with retroflexion, > > though I could be wrong. >
Hmm.... NYC SPEECH?? I don't think so....all the people that I've heard who come from my dear city (well, I live 30 minutes away..but, it's still my city)...say: [S@r] <sure> [SOr] <shore> (Although it might be [Sor], i can't really decide. I'm sitting here saying the word..and it's not making sense to me anymore! :) But it's definitely not homophonous with sure. Elliott