Re: USAGE: Yet another try at Pinyin-compatible tonal spelling for Mandarin

Oh, no!  Please, no!  This is worse than Tong Yong pin yin!  It has all the
nastiness of Gwoyeu Romatzyh with none of the virtues of Pinyin.  I shivver
just looking at it.  And to thing I've been ranting about Tong Young.

Adam who HATES tonal spelling, but still inflicted it on a conlang once.

So lift the cup of joy and take a big drink.
In spite of it all it's a beautiful world.
-------Suzanne Knutzen




>From: John Cowan <cowan@...>
>Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...>
>To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: USAGE: Yet another try at Pinyin-compatible tonal spelling for
>          Mandarin
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:54:02 -0400
>
>The virtues of tonal spelling are well-known for languages like Hmong,
>which can
>add otherwise unused finals like -b and -s to indicate the tone.  Mandarin
>has
>too many sounds for that: the standard Pinyin orthography uses every basic
>Latin letter except v, and five diacritics: symbols for tones 1, 2, 3, and
>4,
>and diaeresis over u when it represents /y/.
>
>Gwoyeu Romatzyh is a tonal spelling requiring no diacritics, but it is very
>complex and messy.  This proposal is meant to add the virtues of
>diacritic-lless
>spelling to the comparative simplicity of Pinyin.
>
>The tonal McGuffin here is to represent the long tones 1 and 3 by a doubled
>vowel, and the low(-ending) tones 3 and 4 by an -h suffix.  Thus
>ma1, ma2, ma3, and ma4 are respectively maa, ma, maah, mah.
>The h is placed after the final (hen3 is written heenh, shang4 as shangh).
>However, the retroflex r remains after the h, since it is not really
>part of the final, except in the case of the final "er".
>
>A few special cases:
>
>1) If one syllable of a compound word ends in h, and the next begins
>with a, e, o, or u, then an apostrophe is inserted, similar to the
>aprostrophe used between finals ending in -n and initials beginning with g.
>
>2) In syllables like dui, where the main vowel is not written, it is
>"doubled" by being written: so dui2 is dui, but dui1 is duei.
>
>In Pinyin, the u-umlaut is used only after l and n; in all other cases,
>its presence can be inferred from the other letters, and it is written u.
>In this proposal, the forms lyu and nyu are used.
>
>3) Toneless syllables are written as if in tone 2.
>
>Here's a sentence:
>
>Waihbian jinhlaile yi ge ren liaangh ge hong yaanhjing, yi fuh dah yuan
>liaanh, daih zhe yi ge xiaaoh maohzi, taa xingh Xiah.
>
>--
>John Cowan           http://www.ccil.org/~cowan              cowan@ccil.org
>Please leave your values        |       Check your assumptions.  In fact,
>    at the front desk.           |          check your assumptions at the
>door.
>      --sign in Paris hotel      |            --Miles Vorkosigan

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