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Re: Phonologically redundant vocabulary

From:Taka Tunu <takatunu@...>
Date:Saturday, April 15, 2006, 20:12
Koma kami yuhai taka yamaimuni mara pehewa mumu tupa yekutewa huma hope wi.
Yotipo-tipowi, kama pari wo huka yawi kami yurapiwa pahowaya wi yukita nunawa
tara matu yarame-ramewa makawaya yetekiwa kami yakumewa miru Excel yenaruwaye

(Translation: I too am someone with big problems with maths since the beginning
of my life. Fortunately, the kind of language that I like to build does not
require a structure of vocabulary that is complex to make, so that I need only
Excel for that.)

Yohemiwi kana kero hipi we kame time hipi wi yapehewa "tara roko hate matu mihi"
wi yawi kami yakita hakewa namiwaya wi yenepawa tehe kero hipi yumukawa punu
matu yapokowa mumu tupa yaporiwa mumu naho wi yayawi kami yukita huruwaya wi.
Yeneku wi.

(Translation: There are several thread on this list about "self-segregating
morphology" that I cannot understand because these threads use plenty of words
pertaining to maths or computer sciences that I don't understand. And yet.)


Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
Date: Fri Apr 14, 2006  1:36 pm

Kijeb tends in that direction, although being a naturalistic
artlang.  Being severely math-challenged (not kidding: <>) I didn't think in terms of n-
dimensional matrices but in terms of phoneme co-occurrences
that didn't suit my l?maty?ve as expressed in Kijeb <>.

I generated a list of possible roots using John Cowan's <>, then ran this list
through a self-written perl script to eliminate roots with
unwanted phoneme co-occurrences. John's script has provision
for excluding contiguous unwanted letter combinations like
_yi, iy, wu, uw, kwy, gwy_ or two vowels after one another,
and preventing certain clusters from (co)occurring, but I
also wanted to exclude the same consonant, as well as two
stops or fricatives at the same point of articulation or two
nasals, from occurring twice in the same word, so I used
regular expressions like /([$C]).*\1/ and /([pbf]).*([pbf])/
to exclude unwanted roots.  FWIW /s/ got special treatment
so that /st/ and /sd/ [zd] were allowed, but OTOH /s/ can't
occur twice in the same word.  I also excluded some
combinations from occuring root-initially (i.e. they are not
allowed in the same syllable, but allowed across the
syllable boundary), and finally I applied some randomness in
insering _y_ /j/ at the end of consonant clusters and after