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Re: Ce[i]n

From:<kam@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 30, 2001, 21:00
On Tue, 29 May 2001, daniel andreasson <daniel.andreasson@...> wrote :

>> isce < Q hiise? < KHIS-? [There seems to be more than Welsh >> mutation here.]
> Well, I had big problems with _hiisie_. [h] -> 0, leaving _iisie_. > Then the vowels shortens -> _isie_. Then the vowels are supposed > to drop, but I didn't really know what to do with [ie].
Well if you want to follow British > Welsh what happens is /-ie/ >> /-ije/ >> /-ID/ <-ydd>
> So I thought, why not let s+i -> [S]?
You could do that too, looks a bit Irish :-)
> Well, I used _limbe_ 'many' and let that get a more general > augmentative meaning. I'm not sure if that should be _llif_ > instead. The rules are "nasal + voiced stop -> nasal", > "medial [m] -> [v]" and "drop final vowel". I'm not sure in > which order to apply them.
IMHO /limbe/ >> /llimm/ double /m/ resists lenition. Modern Welsh always writes a single <m> but the sound was double (all single /m/ having gone to /v/ <f>. Possibly later /mm/ >> /m/ when final, I think this has happened in Welsh, but not in Cornish where /mm/ sometimes went to /bm/ or even /bb/. N.B. Mod. W. <p t c> are really /pp tt kk/.
> No, {ch} is the mutated form of {c}, which I decided should > occur after the definite article. I'm still not sure if there > should be mutation or not after _i_ (sg) and _ir_ (pl).
/i/ might be expected to cause lenition (soft mutation). /ir/ might just possibly cause germination leading to a spirant mutation and maybe doubling of /l r m n/. The original /r/ of ir would be lost except perhaps before vowels. Keith

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