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Re: How do diacronic conlangers work?

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 8, 2007, 20:27
BP Jonsson wrote:
> > - People usually have one language or dialect which was > there first in real time, and which often remains central > to the whole edifice, from which various imaginary > ancestors, daughters and siblings (what I call "stages" or > "nodes") radiate.
The two languages I've worked on the most, Kash and Gwr, are direct opposites in this respect. Kash was developed a priori as a "present-day" language whose history, such as it is, existed only in my mind; and later on several sheets of paper. I just haven't done anything further with that aspect. Gwr OTOH started in the same way, but I quickly realized that I couldn't just create monosyllables + tones out of thin air-- there had to be some kind of logic and organization behind it. That led to the creation of Proto Baw Da Gwr and the sound changes (and discarding a good bit of early vocab that turned out to be impossible according to the rules). PBD however is but one node on a family tree (say Latin maybe, as opposed to PIE), and I don't know what the other/earlier nodes really look like-- except they will be more complex.
> > - It is not necessarily or usually the case that what I > call a later version of one language represents a break > or fresh start relative to any or all earlier versions. > A new version need not be a rewrite, but probably a > conscious revision as opposed to a tweak or a bug fix. > :-) Changes and differences may be gradual, cumulative, > abrupt or whatever.
I've not done that; a lot of early Kash vocab simply got lost/mislaid; the phonology however has stayed remarkably stable, about the only change has been to disallow true diphthongs. Revisions to old Gwr vocab would be considered abrupt, I think.
> > - "Stages" may go through various "versions" or > "revisions", often without all the stages being > revised at the same time, although a revision in some > place in the family tree -- especially a major one -- > may of course have larger or smaller repercussions > throughout the tree.
This may happen in Gwr if I ever come up with the PIE-analog, but I'll be more inclined to force the proto to agree with the modern.
> > - Unlike real language history the protolanguage is a > secondary product made to fit its daughters.
That will definitely be the case with Kash.
> > - Should I use the term "node", as on an imaginary family > tree,
Yes, that's conventional. A node can be viewed as a subordinate proto-language. throughout instead of "stage". What do native
> English speakers think of these terms (stage, node, > version) as I use them?
I'd call "stage" a period or point in time in the development of a given language-- "Middle English", "Early Modern Engl."; node, see above; version might refer more to dialects.