Re: How do diacronic conlangers work?
From: | Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> |
Date: | Tuesday, May 8, 2007, 20:27 |
BP Jonsson wrote:
>
> - People usually have one language or dialect which was
> there first in real time, and which often remains central
> to the whole edifice, from which various imaginary
> ancestors, daughters and siblings (what I call "stages" or
> "nodes") radiate.
The two languages I've worked on the most, Kash and Gwr, are direct
opposites in this respect. Kash was developed a priori as a "present-day"
language whose history, such as it is, existed only in my mind; and later on
several sheets of paper. I just haven't done anything further with that
aspect.
Gwr OTOH started in the same way, but I quickly realized that I couldn't
just create monosyllables + tones out of thin air-- there had to be some
kind of logic and organization behind it. That led to the creation of Proto
Baw Da Gwr and the sound changes (and discarding a good bit of early vocab
that turned out to be impossible according to the rules). PBD however is but
one node on a family tree (say Latin maybe, as opposed to PIE), and I don't
know what the other/earlier nodes really look like-- except they will be
more complex.
>
> - It is not necessarily or usually the case that what I
> call a later version of one language represents a break
> or fresh start relative to any or all earlier versions.
> A new version need not be a rewrite, but probably a
> conscious revision as opposed to a tweak or a bug fix.
> :-) Changes and differences may be gradual, cumulative,
> abrupt or whatever.
I've not done that; a lot of early Kash vocab simply got lost/mislaid; the
phonology however has stayed remarkably stable, about the only change has
been to disallow true diphthongs. Revisions to old Gwr vocab would be
considered abrupt, I think.
>
> - "Stages" may go through various "versions" or
> "revisions", often without all the stages being
> revised at the same time, although a revision in some
> place in the family tree -- especially a major one --
> may of course have larger or smaller repercussions
> throughout the tree.
This may happen in Gwr if I ever come up with the PIE-analog, but I'll be
more inclined to force the proto to agree with the modern.
>
> - Unlike real language history the protolanguage is a
> secondary product made to fit its daughters.
That will definitely be the case with Kash.
>
> - Should I use the term "node", as on an imaginary family
> tree,
Yes, that's conventional. A node can be viewed as a subordinate
proto-language.
throughout instead of "stage". What do native
> English speakers think of these terms (stage, node,
> version) as I use them?
I'd call "stage" a period or point in time in the development of a given
language-- "Middle English", "Early Modern Engl."; node, see above; version
might refer more to dialects.