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Re: "I'm after ..." (Re: Maybe Spam? "Sorunsuz Yathamanýn Kefyi .. .")

From:Keith Gaughan <kmgaughan@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 13:50
John Cowan wrote:

> Keith Gaughan scripsit: > >>>>Well, there's one glaring one that shows that I'm from around the >>>>border, and that is the use of the tag statement "so X >>>>do/am/will/have/would/etc.". You should be more than familar with >>>>that one from Father Ted. For shame, and you having lived there too! >>> >>>Ah, you see, I didn't count that - I use it too. >> >>You might have picked that up while you were living here. Everybody >>seems to, and I have to resist the urge to write and say it while I'm >>in Cork because people keep on picking up on it and slagging me about >>it. > > Hmm. I take it that what's dialectal about this is the tag use? > I have no trouble with: > > My mother told me to always brush my teeth, and so I do. > > (where "so" = "therefore"), or with > > My mother told me if I didn't brush my teeth they'd rot, > so I do. > > (where "so" = "consequently"), or even with > > A: It would help if you'd give less juvenile examples. > B: So I will! > > (where "so"'s force is not clear to me). > > But none of these have the characteristic flat (in AmE) intonation > of a tag.
Nope, that's a valid usage universally in English. The dialectical usage I'm talking about is used as follows: 1. I'm a software developer, so I am. 2. I'll be off to Micromail to pick up that book, so I will. 3. I've finished upgrading the backend to UDI, so I have. It's more for emphasis, though it's used a bit to much to have quite that much force.
>>Nope, actual dialectical feature, just like using "cat" for "awful" and >>"tae" for "tea". > > All Ireland said /te/ for "tea" until the end of the 19th century or > even later, which is why it's a feature of Stage Irish; it's probably > reinforced in your area by Ulster Scots, though.
True. But then, Ulster Scots isn't a real language. <ducks> ;-D But seriously, Ulster Scots isn't spoken anywhere near where I'm from. It's move of an east NI thing than west.
>> Ok, I'll explain. That's the point: nobody lives there. The whole county >> has about half the population per km of Sligo--16/km vs. 32/km. Kerry >> gets slagged because because they're--or so it goes--born idiots, just >> like Belgium and Austria get slagged in France and Germany. Tipperary >> gets slagged because of the accent. And Dublin gets slagged because it's >> full of Jackeens. > > Huh, you call those explanations? Capital cities are always despised > by the hinterland, and the only reason people don't slag Cork is because > they're afraid to come up against the local penchant for homicidal mania. :-)
That's true. But Dublin gets a particular slagging[1] because of what happened when Queen Victoria came over to visit[1] the country. Despised they may be, but I think it's tinged with a bit more ire than is usual. K. [1] [2] [3] -- Keith Gaughan -- The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones... make place for some really big nukes!