The Glyphica Arcana: Distinction
|From:||Jefferson Wilson <jeffwilson63@...>|
|Date:||Friday, December 16, 2005, 1:48|
Thomas Hart Chappell wrote:
> I don't think Jim's is what's usually considered the best example of what's
> usually considered the Experiencer vs. the Agent; although it turned out to
> be worth talking about.
> So, I think I should stick this in for Jefferson, just in case;
> Experiencer/Stimulus bivalent verbs are often treated differently from
> Agent/Patient bivalent verbs. The difference may be marked by Case, by
> Voice or by both.
> According to Blake's "Case", there are four sets of
> roles, of which each set usually gets handled by the same case in each
> particular language, but different languages may handle differently,
> although many of them handle them all the same as Agents.
> They are:
> Agent in Agent/Patient
> Perceiver in Perceiver/Stimulus (Sense verbs; see, hear, smell)
> Experiencer in Experiencer/Target (Emotion verbs; love, fear)
> and I forget the fourth one; it may be Exister or Sitter or Stander or
> something -- but don't rely on that guess.
Take the following two sentences:
"I look at the flower."
"I see the flower."
In the GA the glyphs for "look at" and "see" are identical in
these sentences (base meaning: relating to the perception of
light). However, in the first case "I" uses the subject
distinction, while in the second case "I" uses the indirect
object distinction. The verb could even be interpreted as "show"
with the second sentence being translated, "The world shows me
I'm pretty sure the GA doesn't distinguish between emotion and
perception in the manner your third case seems to indicate,
though there would be connotations in using the subject
distinction that the entity is choosing to feel that way.