Re: Whiteness?

Barry Garcia wrote:

> CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU writes:
> >But how is that bad English?
> >(a) All these words have been assimilated as English words, not Spanish.
> >(b) The only American dialect that has a pure vowel [o] is that of
> >Minnesota
> >and the Great Lakes region, and those people are made fun of for it.
> >
> >I can almost guarantee you that most of the people you hear will use
> >/ou/ or something like it.  Hence: it's not bad English.
>
> I _never_ said it was bad English.
Perhaps. I'm sorry if I sounded forward, but I was speaking of
English speakers' habits. In that context, your response

    > *shudder* and I think Spanish with a Californian surfer/valley accent is
    > bad.

seemed aimed at English speakers' language use trying to speak Spanish,
which they are not, no more than any monolingual English speaker is speaking
French when they say <hors d'oeuvre>.

> I dont mean in
> normal conversation in English. (it's excused AFAIC. When i'm not trying
> to speak Spanish, i say Spanish words the way I say other words in English)
Right.  But that's exactly what I'm talking about:  English speaking people
using English, which happen to have words that have been borrowed, and
assimilated into English.  Your comment sounded in this context like you
were disparaging other English speakers' speech simply because they don't
pronounce e.g. <rodeo> as [rodeo] but as [roudiou].

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