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GROUPLANG: simple, original,natural case sys

From:Mathias M. Lassailly <lassailly@...>
Date:Monday, October 19, 1998, 18:57
Clinton wrote :

On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Pablo Flores wrote:
> > > That's not so different from the STM, only a bit more mixed. > > I've been following this case discussion for a bit, as I'm > currently working on (aka "redeciding") Aelya's case system. I'm taking a > case grammar approach, which means that Aelya ends up ergative, sort of.
Too bad. There are many other approaches. I hold ergative for an undecisive compromise between all-cases and all-voices systems. But you won't find that kind of judgement in linguistics, because this involves discussing what meaning is. A very dangerous issue in linguists' eyes. Meditate on it and you will understand their whole system of analysis is dust in the wind (dustmen ? :-)
> The question is this...what's STM? I think I missed it. > > Clinton >
A joke, Clinton. Only a joke :-) St Thomas could not believe Christ resurrected until he could feel His wounds. All-noun rooting predicate ('ALRP')'s promoters like me need concrete nouns as result or agent of a process to believe there is a process. Reversely, they can make a process from most nouns as English does. For instance : 'Circle' is unaspective, i.e. it need not be involved in a process starting and ending (aspects) such as 'to encircle' or a state such as 'to have the shape of a circle' to exist as a circle. But people like Carlos and me dream of these processes and states when encountering a circle. In our eyes 'circle' is also something we experience as the ring on a finger, the walls rounding up a town, the snake coiling up on a tree, and all steps of processes therewith. And we can't believe abstract concepts of verbs : we tend to need a physical evidence of these processes, such as a golden ring, a steal hammer, a cart, etc., the same way as St Thomas needed touch Christ's wounds to believe. That's what French would call St Thomas' System (STM) :-) Mathias ----- See the original message at -- Free e-mail group hosting at