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Re: Word classification (was Re: The philosophical language fallacy (was Re: Evanescence of information (was Re: Going NOMAIL: Honeymoon)))

From:Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 22:35
On 7/8/08, Rick Harrison <rick@...> wrote:

> On the other hand, all categorizing schemes are arbitrary. Pondering the > best category for a concept sometimes seems fun but sometimes seems like a > waste of limited time and energy. So in the long run I plan to remove rigid > categories from the ULD and invite people to contribute alternative > classification schemes.
How do you reckon that might work? Maybe you could let people use tags rather than categories, with some lexical items getting multiple tags as they might fit in multiple categories? In my gjâ-zym-byn lexicon db I have a "category" field by which I generate a categorical lexicon, in addition to the alphabetical lexicon. http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/i/jimhenry1973/gzb/nxcgtx_categ.htm The category names themselves are (mostly) in gzb; here's a list of the categories, with the number of words in each, and translations of most of the gzb category terms: 16 câŋ - experimental science 357 čur - core postpositions 52 čur-tôn - derived postpositions 19 ðĭ - relationships 14 ðujm - conjunctions (various subcats below...) 6 ðujm a 10 ðujm f 10 ðujm k 5 ðujm v 19 fu-θy - colors 5 gâ - "things" (one of several catchall or miscellaneous categories) 6 glĭm - names of glyphs 9 hĭj - sacraments [there are nine terms because two sacraments have variant names] 32 jâ - states, roles 6 jâ-buln - positions, orientations 83 jâ-fâ-ŋĭw - emotional/mental states 5 jâ-purj - environmental states 2 jâ-vuj - physical states 29 jum - modifier particles (various subcats below...) 7 jum vĭj-za 2 jum vy 8 jum žy 4 jum-frâ-θaj 16 jum-jĭrn 3 jum-ru 3 jum-šrĭ 105 mâ - people 1 mâ-dô - human imperfections? 9 mâ-tôn - sentients other than humans 3 mu-tôn - universes 11 nĭm - proper names 56 ŋĭn - descriptions, comments 1 ŋĭn-vĭj 10 ŋĭw - body parts, organs; mental faculties 73 ŋĭw-cu - the body (incl. blood, insulin, etc., etc.) [the two above should probably merge and be re-divided somehow; maybe by internal/external/intangible? e.g. arm, leg, head vs. heart, stomach, pancreas vs. memory, imagination, reason...] 75 ŋî'bĭ - numbers 10 ŋwĭm - pronouns 7 ŋwĭm-frâ - interrogative pronouns 2 pân - everything 11 pĭw - games 7 pî'hâ - holy things 56 Φĭ - qualities (various subcats below...) 4 Φĭ ðuŋ-tôn 3 Φĭ ku-faj 22 Φĭ mâ-hô 8 Φĭ zuň 17 Φĭ-buw 10 Φĭ-vĭj 15 Φĭ-vuj 1 Φĭ-vuj-cô 1 Φî zuň 17 Φyr - suffixes (various subcats below...) 3 Φyr "mal" 4 Φyr "um" 17 Φyr jum-fwa 4 Φyr kyr-fwa 5 Φyr l 6 Φyr mâ 4 Φyr n 8 Φyr nĭm 9 Φyr s 2 Φyr srǒ 18 râ - events (various subcats below...) 3 râ čâl 1 râ-cu 2 râ-vuj 14 ru - manners, methods, ways 6 ruŋ - motion 171 ryň - actions [MUST break this up into smaller categories...] 1 ryň kâj 123 ryň-ĉa --- tools, artifacts 10 ryň-kâj 1 ryň-pĭw 3 ryň-twâ 78 ryň-vuj 14 ryň-vuj-cô 4 ryň-žâw 12 ryň-zuň 24 ryň-zym 46 ŝĭw - stuff, substances, materials 10 ŝĭw θy - elements (of periodic table) 10 trĭ - measurement 7 trĭ-vĭj -- time-measurement 1 twâ-cu -- books 2 θuň - stories 60 tyn - places 4 v ? - question verbs; other verbs below [this looks like a paucity of verbs, because verbs don't get separate lexicon entries unless their meaning is unpredictable from the root noun] 10 v reflexive 6 v relation 18 v state 47 vâ-faj -- food/drinks (many foodstuffs are listed among animals/plants) 2 vâ-kar-hô -- adjectives describing food/drinks 3 vĭj -- time 57 vĭj-za -- pertaining to time? 4 vlym-ŝĭw -- fabrics 44 vuj -- concrete things [a catchall category] 79 vuj-cô -- abstract concepts [another catchall category] 8 žâw -- perception, senses 91 zuň -- living things 7 zuň: ħun-tôn -- trees (need to break other broad groups out of the "zuň" category, too) 13 źĭ -- sciences, arts, studies (various subcats...) 1 źĭ-fĭm 36 źĭ-gjâ 9 źĭ-kâj 13 źĭ-krĭ 28 źĭ-mâ 19 źĭ-ŋî'bĭ 2 źĭ-râ 2 źĭ-sĭŋ 19 źĭ-šĭm 1 źĭ-twâ-cu 4 źĭ-zuň 49 źĭ-zym All in all, pretty ad-hoc and unsatisfactory. I keep meaning to revamp it and putting it off. Most of the categories with only one or two members should be merged with something else, and the ones with 50+ members should probably be subdivided, but there are other, more serious problems. -- Jim Henry http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/conlang/fluency-survey.html Conlang fluency survey -- there's still time to participate before I analyze the results and write the article