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Re: USAGE: Verbs and verb compounds

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Date:Tuesday, June 22, 1999, 18:22
Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 22/06/99 18:55:01  , Charles a =E9crit :

> > > I pay the-cashier to-buy the-book. > =20 > > i pay man-cash (and i) buy book > =20 > Good English but bad serial-verb-Construction. Jamming the verbs > together makes them fuse into something different than conjunction. > The buying-paying is a single act with three actors. IIUC.
definitely. retrospectively you know that the implied finality of this=20 payment is to buy (for). you cannot buy without paying. that's what my "and"=20 was meant to induce here. not fish "and" chips. =20
> > > I pay the-writer to-write the-book. > =20 > > i pay man-write so he write book. > =20 > Almost the same except there is a kind of switch-reference > thing happening there,=20
same than above, except that the finality is not always true. you always pay=20 to buy things, but these things may be fish and chips as well as a writer's=20 services. that is what my "so" stood for. which I don't quite understand
> because nothing I found on the web describes this well. >
my "bound finality" is translated in natlangs either as concomittancy=20 (japanese "haratte kau") or compound (english "to pay for").
> > you may want to tell from one another : > > concomittance and finality (and, so) > =20 > I am tempted to replace all conjunctions with verbs, > just to be radical, whether it is possible or not. > =20
always possible imho, except that in this case you miss the points i stated=20 above and then you get stuck in ditransitivity.
> > successive actors (nouns, verbs, clauses) > =20 > Same for clauses. I want to push everything into SVC's. > =20 > > realis and irrealis (so that, in order to) > >=20 > > or rather, different degrees inbetween these "extremals" ;-) > =20 > I should-will obtain some adverbs. Many are just weakened verbs. > =20
indeed.