Re: THEORY: Xpositions in Ypositional languages {X,Y}={pre,post}

Eldin Raigmore wrote:
>
>I have seen adpositions which can occur as either pre- or post-
>called "circumpositions".  I have also seen obligatorily-paired pre- and
>post- -
>positions called "circumpositions".  IMO it would be good to have different
>terms for the two ideas.  I think the obligatorily-paired pre- and post- -
>position has the better claim on the term "circumposition"; and some other
>term should be used for the adpositions which can be either prepositions or
>postpositions.  But I do not know what to call them.
>
I haven't read the paper, but---- does he mention Malay/Indonesian noun
formatives ke--an (= Tagalog ka--an and many other cognate constructions),
or per--an (usu. forms location nouns)? There is debate as to whether these
are true "circumfixes" or instances of ke-/per- prefixed to an an-suffixed
form.

-an is a noun- (and verb-) forming suffix in its own right, but ke- (~ ka-)
and per-, by themselves, only occur fossilzed.

kubur ~ kuburan 'grave' pe(r)kuburan 'cemetery' (the r-less form is
presumably < Javanese; no ke--an form)
adil 'just' keadilan 'justice' and note ketidakadilan 'injustice' in which
phrasal tidak adil 'not just' has been nominalized. But forming antonyms in
that way seems very rare, 'injustice' is the only such form I've ever seen
mentioned.

Ah-- the dictionary just gave me: kurang ajar 'insolent, impolite',
kekurang-adjaran 'insolence, rudeness'.

What about French ne...pas ??