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Re: Work in progress - Phonology

From:Michael Poxon <m.poxon@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 18, 2001, 12:36
Philistine? I would have though that was someone who thought literature
consisted only of Fantasy/Sci-fi!(giggle)
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John-Emmanuel" <jokerhand@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Work in progress - Phonology


> Nik Taylor ghItlh: > > : Nasubi! (Hello in my conlang) > : > : Welcome to the list. > > Thankyou kindly :) > > : John-Emmanuel wrote: > : > Seeing as I have a 3 month break between semesters (yay!) > : > : THREE months? Where do you go to school? > > Australia ;) > > : > So I have started at the beginning, and the beginning is the
phonology.
> Why > : > have I posted it to this list? Well, seeing as you all seem like nice > ppl, > : > I'm sure you wouldn't mind giving me > comments/critiques/suggestions/etc.... > : > : Not at all. Just show us whatever you have. :-) > : > Bilabial Nasal: m', m > : > Stop: p, b > : > : What is the distinction between p and b? Is it voiceless and voiced? > > Yes. This is just plain IPA notation (sortof :) > > : Are the voiceless stops aspirated? > > No. But I'm sure some of my speakers will be lazy enough to aspirate
them.
> And most English speakers will probably butcher it too ;) > > : > Labiodental Fricative: f, v > : > Dental Fricative: T, D > : > Alveolar Nasal: n', n > : > Stop: t, d > : > Fricative: s > : > Approximant: r', r > : > Lateral: l', l > : > Palato-alveolar Fricative: s > > Ummm.... that should be s. As in SHoe. > > : How do you distinguish between alveolar and palato-alveolar then? Also, > : is there any reason why those two plus velar nasal and fricative do not > : distinguish voice? > > Yes. The velar nasal is comparatively rare, and as such, voice is not > distinguished with that phoneme. > And the speakers absolutely DETEST the voiced palato-alveolar and velar > fricatives (for some strange reason....), they just do not exist in the > language. > > : > We can romanize this by letting a post-h indicate devoicing, and > applying > : > hyphens when there are abiguities, e.g. mh indicates a voiceless m,
but
> m-h > : > indicates a voiced m followed by h. > : > : Can /h/ come at the end of a syllable? If not, then perhaps you could > : use _hm_ for voiceless /m/, that way there'd be no chance of confusion. > > No. Not that I know of anyway ;) And even if it did, you can still type > m-h, as in *pem-h (there is no such word of course.) > And I was thinking of the other way, but since I had th and dh..... > > : > (I put this in only because I think the apostrophes and capitals look > ugly > : > :) > : > : What's wrong with apostrophe? :-) But I do agree about capitals. > > The totally wreck the ambience ;) > > : > I am not sure which dipthongs are possible yet, perhaps some > suggestions? > : > : All a matter of preference, of course, but I prefer to only allow vowel > : plus i/u in my conlangs as diphthongs, with both elements having the > : same backness value. Since you distinguish between rounded and > : unrounded in the front vowels, perhaps y could be used after front > : rounded vowels. > > Hmmm.... very good idea.... > I think I'll look into that.... > > : > And though it goes without saying, my favourite genre is Fantasy, and
my
> : > favourite Fantasy author is Tolkien. > : > : Doesn't go without saying at all. :-) I rarely read fantasy, for > : example. I prefer sci fi. > > Philistine ;) > I used to like SF more too, and Asimov was easily my fave, but once I read > all of his, the others didn't quite come up to par. > > John.