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Re: Set of basic adpositions

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Sunday, November 9, 2008, 20:14
David J. Peterson wrote:
> Tok Pisin has two: bilong (genitive), and long (all else).
Presumably the meaning is made clearer, if necessary, with additional words such as adverbs. I guess I should take a good look at other creole languages as well. I wondered if anyone had done anything with adpositions, similar to what Berlin and Kay did with color terms. But we cannot, of course, infer from Tok Pisin that if a language has only two adpositions, one will denote a genitive relation & the other all other relations for the simple reason that the genitive relation is so often expressed _without_ an adposition in many languages.
> Even languages like French and Spanish, though, started out > with just the three (a, de, and en), adding others as the language > was fleshed out (often in combination with the original three).
I know that in Old French it was only those three that formed contractions with the definite article (in modern French it's only à and de that retain such contractions; contracted forms with _en_ survive only in archaism like 'maître ès arts' "master in-the arts", i.e. M.A.), and that words like _dans_ and _avec_ began life as adverbs. But _par_ derives from Latin preposition _per_, and _pour_ from VL */por/ (= CL /pro:/. Did they change from VL prepositions to adverbs in Proto-French before becoming prepositions again? =========================================== deinx nxtxr wrote: [snip] > Sasxsek has a set of basic (CV) prepositions and an extended set > that are derived using the "-u" suffix. What criteria did you use in determining your basic set? > Basic > > tu = at (locative) > fu = to, toward > mu = away from > bu = opposed to, against, anti, contra > iu = of (genitive) > ku = with (comitative) > nu = without, sans > ju = using, with (instrumental) > su = via, through > lu = called, named, by the name of Interesting - but I would not have expected "called, named, by the name of" to be among the _basic_ set. -- Ray ================================== http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora. [William of Ockham]

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