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Re: Verb-initial languages

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 16:35
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:34:26 +0000 Stephen Mulraney
<ataltanie@...> writes:

> Steg Belsky wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:39:17 -0500 John Cowan writes:
> > >Joe scripsit: > > >>In Irish, |tá| is the copula, and it goes first.
> > >My understanding is that the Irish copula is "is", and that "tá" > > >rather asserts predication. > > >-- > > >John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
> > I'm not sure what "predication" means, but my Irish teacher said > > that the > > difference between |is| and |tá| is analogous to (although not > >exactly > > the same as) the difference in Spanish between |ser| and |estar|. > > if i can remember correctly (no textbook or dictionary with me at > > the moment): > > Is fear é. = "he is a man" > > Tá bean ag an doras. = "a woman is at the door."
> Yep, that's right, but it reminds me of something odd that the book > "Teaching Irish" (by Mícheal Ó'Siadhail) says. I haven't been able > to > decide whether it's a peculiarity of the Cois Fharraige dialect the > book teaches (which is, in many respects, odd :) or not. My rather > rusty semi-native [forcibly] internalised Irish parser can't give me > a > straight yea or nay. The thing is, that apparantly when the topic is > definite, an extra disjuntive pronoun is required, so > Is fear é = "he is a man" > *Is an fear é = wrong attempt at "he is the man" > Is é an fear é = "he is the man" > At least, I think that's how it is. The last example is certainly > right, but I prevaricate on the acceptibility of the second example. > s.
- Hmm... i can't find that exact sentence in my textbook, but it does have: Nach é an fear? = "Isn't he the man?" (assuming that i didn't leave wrong homework answers in my book after going over the homework in class) -Stephen (Steg) "an bhfuil an chaora ar an chnoc?"

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