Re: Whispered voicing ( was: Re: /p/ versus devoiced b?)

D. Tse wrote:

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>>That's exactly it - according to some. But I've also heard accounts of
>>linguists having heard _real_ aspirated voiced consonants. I imagine
>>that those would be consonants with a voiced onset, follow by a vowel
>>with a voiceless onset and voiced ending. Or something ;-).
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>Does that mean that such a sound would end up something like /b@_0ha/ ??
That would seem to be a possibility, at least.  Sanskrit bha:s.a: turns up
in Malay/Indonesian as /b@hasa ~ bahasa/.   Old Javanese (Kawi) has written
bha:sa, but Modern Jav. /basa/.   (However, I can't think of any other
Ml/Ind. form that treats borrowed voiced aspirates à la "bahasa", so it may
be  a *relatively* recent learned borrowing.)