Re: Aesthetics

Dne Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:02:14 +0200 Jörg Rhiemeier
<joerg_rhiemeier@...> napsal/-a:

> Sure, it's all very subjective.  That's the difference between
> artlanging and engelanging, after all :)
>
IMO it's possible (and maybe quite common) to have a conlang with both
good sound but generally achracterizable as "engineered", including very
regular grammar and such stuff. The perhaps most famous experimental
conlang, Ithkuil, sounds beautiful according to its creator JQP. I quite
don't understand how someone can like making all those subtle distinctions
combined with a kitchen-sinky grammar - that must be terribly irking - but
as you say it's subjective. Another example of such merge is Qþyn|gài
(http://www.kunstsprachen.de/s7/) - although it is completely regular and
uses a classifier system of roots, Henrik mentions there that it's his
first conlang he really likes the sound of.
I prefer the combined way too. Now when I make some stuff to Ristáyna I
care for both how it works and how it sounds. Ristáyna is maybe not meant
to be exactly an engelang but is meant to have an interesting regular
grammar.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:56:15 -0300, Edgard Bikelis wrote:
>> 1) On phonology, good vowels are [a@eEioOuy]; not sure about nasals.
>> Good
>> consonants are velars, alveolars, and labials (both dental and
>> bilabial).
>> Until recently I hated palatals... now I'm rather convinced that they
>> are
>> allowed to exist ; ). Glottal stop sounds very rude. Bilabial
>> fricatives are
>> prettier than labiodentals. I like aspiration. Alveolar tap is much
>> better
>> than retroflex. Retroflex consonants are hard for me to pronounce, but I
>> think I like them, anyway...
>>
I have an exactly opposite opinion on the bilabial vs. labiodental
fricatives. Spanish [B] seemed to me as a sound describable like "to
pronounce [b] like a retard". I like /f/ and /v/ more. Glottal stop sounds
rude? I don't think so. I think it's a quite nice consonant. I have
nothing against aspiration. Ristáyna has /p_h/, /t_h/, /k_h/, and /t_S_h/.

>> 2) On morphology, I can't help liking indoeuropean morphology, but the
>> more
>> regular the better. Ancient Greek is a mess, not so Latin, Sanskrit
>> just a
>> bit. I can't think about much more here...
>
> Same to me!  IE-style morphology, but not too irregular.  But I like
> fluid-S active-stative morphosyntactic alignment.
>
I hate unreasonably irregular verbs in Spanish! F.e. when the 1sg.PRES
form of 'asir' could be easily regular *"aso" it is an awkward "asgo". Or
'caber' is an awful verb.

Petr

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