Re: CHAT: EU allumettes (was: Re: THEORY/CHAT: Talmy, Jackendoff and Matchboxes

In a message dated 2004:05:02 03:27:16 AM, yonjuuni@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

>[...] No one's ever said you can't talk about auxlangs here, only
>that you can't *promote* one auxlang over another.  There's already a
>list for those who want to promote particular auxlangs.  There isn't
>much talk about auxlangs simply because most of us aren't interested in
>them.
    Or another way of puttin' it is that the technical aspects of most
auxlangs are not of substantial and continuin' intrigue to us conlangers (And quite
often auxlangers have a very low grasp on linguistics in general, tending to
being idealists more or less with junior high school level linguistics
knowledge on average - and that type of knowledge is quite naturally heavy on
Eurocentricism).
    BUT recent subjects re: lexical semantics/linguistics theorists (i.e
Talmy, Jackendoff, Lakoff, Wierzbicka & Goddard, etc.), easily parseable syntax,
pronoun systems and Romanization of non-European languages like Sanskrit and
Japanese touch upon some worthwhile auxlang technical aspects of interest to
conlangers.
    I am of the opinion that a conlanger's methodical morphosyntactic
approach is the only way to go about creating a realistic auxlang worth considering
(or at least "neat")- and it seems the general and mutual consensus here is
that a pidgin-creole type auxlang-conlang is prob'ly the best bet and/or the most
fun ;) If any one happens to think otherwise - partly or wholly, please post
an explanatory rebuttal - this could be interesting... hehe...


In a message dated 2004:05:02 02:21:36 AM, mark@POLYMATHIX.COM writes:

>Doing the math in my head for the EU20, as it were, I reckon you'd wind
>up with a form of pidgin at best (and an empty set of included features, at
>worst), and it'll still be very different from Maltese. If that's what
>you want, it would be easier just to start with a pidgin or creole that
>already exists.
    Lingua Franca, Sabir, _had_ existed from about the Crusades to up to the
early 20th C.. IIRC Sabir was on its way to becoming a creole before WWI but
after the "Great War" it started dying out.  There are some written works in a
variety of near-stabilized forms.


In a message dated 2004:05:02 06:46:35 AM, yonjuuni@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

>Philippe Caquant wrote:
>> 5/ ???
>
>Chinese!  That way no one nation will get preferential treatment (unless
>the European Union somehow spreads all the way to China ;-))
    I know of some Kurds - educated in France * - who want just that - the EU
all the way to China through Greater Kurdistan!

    * one guy I met studied Chinese languages, Chinese aesthetics and Chinese
ink-brush painting in Bejing (and I suspect spycraft and guerilla warfare as
well). He can quote Chairman Mao's poetry in 10 languages (Mandarin, French,
English, Kurdish, Uzbek, Uyghur, Kazakh, Spanish Russian, and Italian) and
helped translate Sunzi/Sun Tzu, Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Mao into both Kurdish and
Kazakh. He claims he is an Anarcho-Maoist and admires the international Green
Party, the Indian neo-Gandhi-ist "Village Movement" and Peru's Shining Path as
a "role-models" and "checks-and-balances" for a Greater Kurdistan Movement
and a "New Silk Road-ism" (Pan-Euro-Asianism). His #1 hero ever since childhood
has been Marco Polo (didja know there are Kurdish, Kazakh and Uyghur
"comicbooks" that have Marco Polo as a type of super/culture hero or "historical
foreigner worthy of emulation"?).


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