Re: German and English (was Re: Losing languages ...)
|From:||Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 16:53|
At 07:02 29.9.2003, Ray Brown wrote:
>On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 09:59 , BP Jonsson wrote:
>>At 14:53 25.9.2003 -0400, John Cowan wrote:
>>> > English: *stain > *sta:n > *stO:n > sto:n > stOun > st@Un
>>>Of course, the numerically largest dialect is conservative here and
>>>doesn't make it through the last transition.
>>In the early 20th century there were extreme RP speakers (mostly or
>>exlusively male) who even had [E@]. That however was too extreme
>Yes indeed. But in the colloquial speech of north Surrey, where I now
>live, the sound is entirely unrounded and centralized [@1] ; to those
>unused to it, "coat" sounds distinctly like "kite"!
It just occurred to me that I read somewhere that
some speakers have [AM] for /AU/ as in _mouth_.
Together with [@i\] for /oU/ that means that
three English diphthongs are now very close in
pronunciation, which will make EngEng even harder
for us poor furriners.
>>I'm of course a bloody furriner and waver between [ow] and [o:]
>>depending on level of concentration.
>A lot of native born Brits use [o:] :-)
>It's normal in "Welsh English" as well as most (all?) regions of
>north England as well as the Scottish Highlands.
The problem is of course that my L1 has only one -u diphthong
/au/ which moreover occurs only in loanwords like _paus_ or _kaos_.
Since I've begun to take care pronouncing THOUGHT words
Americanly with [A] I at least don't do any un-nativelike
confusion of phonemes with /oU/ = [o:].
B.Philip Jonsson mailto:melrochX@melroch.se (delete X)
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