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Re: Rough sketch of Lune^

From:Grandsire, C.A. <grandsir@...>
Date:Friday, October 15, 1999, 8:20
Nik Taylor wrote:
> > Here's a rough sketch of an early stage of Lune^, I'd welcome comments, > critiques, etc. >
"I like it" will be my first comment :) . But now, let's see more constructive comments.
> Provisional phonology > A = /A/ > A` = /a/ > B = /v/ > Bb = /b/ (only in borrowings) > C = /tS/ > D = /z/ < /D/ > Dd = /d/ > E = /e/ > E` = /E/ > F = /f/ > G = /G/ > Gg = /g/ > I = /i/ > J = /x/ or /h/ > {h} is sometimes used instead of {j} > K = /k/ > Note: may make {c} = /k/, and {ch} = /tS/
If the language is mainly evolved Spanish, you should make {c}: /k/ and {ch}: /tS/. But if you're are thinking of an influence of Esperanto (and maybe Italian), the value {c}: /tS/ is perfectly possible, especially since {c} has already two values in present Spanish.
> L = /l/ > M = /m/ > N = /n/ > N~ = /nj/, /J/ also exists in a few conservative dialects > O = /o/ > O` = /O/ > P = /p/ > R = /r/, trilled r > S = /s/ > T = /t/ > U = /u/ > W = /w/ > Y = [j\] intervocalically or word-initially (later merged with /zj/ as > /Z/), [j] elsewhere > When a vowel with a grave is stressed, the grave is replaced by > circumflex, as in the name Lune^ > > Nouns > No gender > Definite article: invariant _la_ (or perhaps I should stick with _e`l_? > I was considering that Esperanto was an influence, presumably they'd > associate _la_ with their own _la_?)
Why not "la" for words beginning by a consonnant and "e`l" (or "l'") for words beginning by a vowel? It would show an Esperanto influence and would correspond to current Spanish use of "el" in front of feminine words beginning with a vowel ("el agua, las aguas" for example).
> Pluralization: Sound changes > a -> a` > e -> e` > o -> o` > Consonant-stems add e` (/E/), and change the vowels the reverse of the > preceding, e.g.: > nasyo^n -> nasyone`, but perhaps the singular's vowel should be > preserved, thus > nasyo^n -> nasyo^ne`
Why not making a dialectical feature of it? Both seem very reasonnable for me and I think I would articulate both depending on the conditions of speaking.
> Case > Accusative marked with preposition _a_ (extended use of "personal a") > Dative indicated by _pa_ (from the colloquial pa', i.e., para, "for") > > Adjective > No agreement? Possibly number agreement, undecided > > Verbs > Infinitive/Present: -a, -e (infinitive lost, taken over by present) > Past participle: -ao, -io (-io is pronounced as two vowels, /'i.o/) > Present participle: -ano, -yeno > Future: Ba (/vA/) + infinitive > Past: a + past participle > Perfects formed from verb _a_ (<haber) + past participle > Progressives formed from verb _e`ta'_ (<esta') + present participle > Passive formed from verb _e`ta'_ + past participle > As you can see, future and past inflections were lost, and were taken > over by the _ir a_ and present perfect constructions respectively. > _ser_ was lost > All forms of _e`ta'_ sometimes lose first syllable (i.e., 'ta, 'tao, > 'tano instead of e`ta', e`tao, e`tano). > Note: epenthetic _j-_ added to verbs beginning with _a_ when preceded by > ba, a, or e`ta', thus: > yo ba j-ama (remember {j} = /h/) = I will love > Also > Yo ba j-a j-amao = I will have loved, also added to accusative particle > _a_, when following an -a verb thus: > yo ba j-ama j-a Wanita = I will love Juanita >
I like it. The subjunctive and the conditional have disappeared?
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