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Re: CHAT: Conlang Cycles

From:Keenan <makeenan@...>
Date:Sunday, December 8, 2002, 14:56
Jeff Jones wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:54:58 -0500, Keenan <makeenan@...> wrote:
> "Lablang" is what I use when I bother to use a term. Most of my languages > are lablangs.
Tell, tell.
> If anyone seriously objects to this sort of thing, we could probably move > the discussion to Engelang.
Is there an Engelang group? When did that happen?
> >Nobody will have a > >chance in hell understanding it but......well, I don't care. > > Unless of course they're able to sing, whistle, chew gum, play chess, hold > their breath, and fly a kite simultaneously -- while riding a bicycle > underwater.
LOL. You know I was thinking that people *ought* to be able to understand speedtalk as spoken. Its the same mental process as reading. Nobody reads a word letter by letter and then assembles the meaning in their heads. People recognize the *entire* word as a whole. It seems that same process should come into play when recognizing speedtalk words.
> > I'm trying to arrange it so that words represented by > > consonants are the frequently used ones. > > That last sounds like a good idea.
I thought so. We'll see how it turns out.
> About 525 phonemes is around half the number Heinlein mentioned.
Right. I think he mentioned 850. In another of his books called 'Time Enough for love' the hero of the story asks a computer to implant the 900 basic words of the local language into his mind as he sleeps. Apparently Heinlein thinks that is enough. I don't think we do but...... I forgot about labialization. That gives me ca.1900 words to work with. Ok has around 1700 and I don't seem to have much trouble saying things with Ok.
> Heinlein mentions something about not distinguishing between nouns and > verbs, doesn't he? I suspect you'll have to scrap the one-to-one > relationship with Basic English and use Basic English only to check for > semantic gaps. But I haven't looked at Basic English in a while.
I have the Basic English vocabulary incorporated into Ok's vocabulary. And Speedtalk is going to be a relex of Ok. God I'm lazy! I have heard people express dissatisfaction with basic English before but I'm not sure what the problem was.
> > Sure thing (can't say "OK" in this context!)
:P Expect an example of Speedtalk later today! I should come up with another name though ,huh.
> Jeff
-Duke