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Re: OT: Feminism (Was: OT: reality (wasRe: Atlantean))

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 18:50
Quoting Axiem <axiem@...>:

> > I, however, tend to restrict it to people who believe in various > sociological > > theories who hold that (Western) society is built more or less purposely > to > > repress women, and that sex-based discrimination of any kind is inherently > > bad. (That the same people with well above average frequency are > misandrists, > > if that's a word, is illogical, but not really surprising.) > > That's how feminism is usually interpreted in literature, as I understand > it. As well, some of the feminists I've known have been like that. > > However, what I get most from most feminists is that /women/ are the > superior sex. That is, they seem to want to change the oppressive dichotomy > from men oppressing women to women oppressing men. I starkly disagree with > this view, and consider it practically hypocritical.
While I've frequently seen/heard (self-proclaimed) feminists write/speak as if everything bad in the world was caused by men, and everything good by women, they IMLE usually nonetheless claim to want a society where men and women* have equal say. An interesting half-exception was a teacher who held that, ideally, society should give men and women equal influence, but before that could be instituted, we need a few thousand years of matriarchy to nullify the effect of the patriarchy of the last few millennia. Unfortunately, she combined some rather more disturbing opinions with a complete lack of a sense of humour, so having a discussion with her was rather depressing. * Why does it seem that pretty much every gender pair comes with a fixed order, and why does the order change from pair to pair? 'Men and women', 'boys and girls', 'ladies and gentlemen'.
> Misandrist? I haven't heard that, and can't parse the root "and". What I've > usually heard is "misanthrope" (person who hates people) and "misogynist" > (person who hates women). You mean person who hates men? As I recall in > Contact, the main character agonized over that word's nonexistence.
The root's 'andr', from Greek _aner_, gen _andros_, "man". I seem to recall Modern Greek has mangled it a bit. It's indeed meant to denote someone who hates men. Andreas


Axiem <axiem@...>