Re: whoops, another question -- pharyngealized consonants anyone?

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> Van: Danny Wier <dawier@...>
> Aan: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...>
> Onderwerp: whoops, another question -- pharyngealized consonants anyone=
?
> Datum: dinsdag 5 oktober 1999 22:04
<znip>=20
> But in cases of CV > VC metathesis (the most common inflection in the=20
> language), CVaC and CV=E4C end up being the same, unless I add a *fourt=
h*=20
> status of consonants -- pharyngealized!  This would occur only with the=
=20
> vowel <a>.  So, what is transcribed as theoretical _ti=E4t_and _tiat_ w=
ould
be=20
> pronounced /tI@t/ and /tIVt_A/ -- but hey, how do you mark
pharyngealization=20
> in ASCII?
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Right in front of me I have a chart of Ubykh. Ubykh has 83 consonants
(including sonorants), 14 of them are pharyngealyzed. Here they are writt=
en
with a mocron over them. I suggewst you write a - after the consonant. So
/q/ vs /q-/, /p'/ vs. /p-'/ etc.

> Neutral, palatized, labio(velar)ized, and pharyngealized.  Does that
occur=20
> in any natlangs?
Well, Ubykh (West-Caucasian language, a 'cousin' of the East-Caucasian
Chechen that are much in the news today) uses pharyngealization. I don't
know of other langs.

All I know about pharyngealized consonants is that they're=20
> similar to the so-called 'emphatics' in Arabic (which are marked in IPA
with=20
> a tilde strikethrough), or the 'broad' consonants of Irish Gaelic
('slender'=20
> being palatized by the way, the equivalent of Russian 'soft' consonants=
).
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> My main problem is how you could distinguish /k/, /k/-pharyngealized, /=
q/

> and /q/-pharyngealized?  I know some Berber languages do this (Kabyle
most=20
> likely; I don't think this occurs in Tuareg) -- help someone pleeze?!
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Ubykh has (amongst others):
k       k' (ejective)   k` (palatalized)        k0 (labialized) k'0     k`'     + voiced
counterparts g, g`, g0
q       q'              q`              q0              q'0     q`'     + q- , q-0, q-', q'-0

+ other pharyngeals are b-, p-, p'-, v-, m-, w-.

I hope this can help you out.

Rob