[elfling] Re: Conlang T Shirt - Quenya

Ales Bican writes:

[...]

 > > I guess I was thinking that the usage there was as a declarative,
 > > i.e., in the nominative case, as in English, "Here! I am going to live
 > > here." If "sinome" is *not* being used this way by King Elessar, then
 > > (as suggested) it is the direct object. Either "sinome" is *never
 > > declined*, or "mar-" does not use accusative for direct object (a
 > > lesser irregularity) or there's an error in the text (as "sinome"
 > > should have a long vowel at the end: "sinomee").
 >
 > **There certainly is not any error in the text.

Yes, that part lacked the requisite :-)

 > Tolkien had to (and did)
 > revise it many times.
 > It's all about it that accusative is same as nominative, both had no
 > case ending (this is a state of later usage of Quenya, earlier there was
 > a difference between nom. and acc. - the latter had e.g. in sg. long
 > vowel, if any).

That's my understanding.

 > > Me, I prefer to interpret the King as being pompous (as kings are wont
 > > to be, especially in legend)
 >
 > **I don't think so. Of course it's a bit pompous sentence: "In this place
 > I will abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world", but I think he
 > used correct Q (though, I know, Nuumenoreans sometimes misinterpreted
 > it).

Of course, he could be speaking correct Q and still stating a rather
pompous sentence :-) So we're again in violent agreement :-)

 > The truth is, however, which one of us is able to ask Tolkien about it?

Damn, I forgot my necroscope at home :-)


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 > **It's possible that _sinome_ is declined as nouns. Thus, as you
 > write, *_sinomesse_ and *_sinomello_ (*"from here") could be,
 > though we can't be sure.

Agreed - we can't be sure, lacking an attested, declined version of
"sinome".  I think it makes logical sense, though.


 > In the sentence that was here first to be translated I'd use _sinome_
 > without any ending. _Sinome_ was translated "in this place", but
 > lit. it's rather "this place" - it certainly contains the stem SI "this,
 > here, now" (LR:385) and very probable *_nome_ meaning *"place".
 > (_Siimen_ undouptedly is a compound of the stems SI and MEN
 > "place, spot" (LR:371).)

Yep - and with Ro'men being declined, well.... to me that lends
credence to an argument that sinome is declined as well.


[...]

Brook

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