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Re: Creole vs. Pidgin

From:R. Nierse <rnierse@...>
Date:Friday, July 23, 1999, 7:54
Daniel Andreasson <daniel_noldo@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> > Nik Taylor wrote: > > > For instance, in Bislama, pronouns > > obligatorily mark number (singular/dual/trial/plural) and > > inclusive/exclusive in the first person, thus: > > Person Singular Dual Trial Plural > > 1 excl mi mitupela mitripela mipela > > 1 incl yumi(tupela) yumitripela yumipela > > 2 yu yutupela yutripela yupela > > 3 em tupela tripela olgeta > > Where is Bislama spoken? Because Broken (Torres Strait Creole) > has the almost exact same pronoun system. (If you remove the > trial and the 'e' in the plural suffix 'pela'.)
Bislama is spoken in Beach la Mar
> > My question is thus: how alike are creoles? I guess it doesn't > have anything to do with where they are spoken. More likely > it has something to do with the two 'merging' languages.
There are two theories: one says that Creoles look alike because they reflect the basic grammar in our heads (Chomsky). The other says that all pidgins/creoles originate from one ancestral pidgin, located somewhere in West Africa or the Mediterranean (Lingua Franca?), that the slaves brought with them when they were shipped to other places.
> > Every creole with English as the lexifier probably looks > something like 'mitupela'. But what about the grammar? >
It is said that -for example- most pidgins/creoles order the particles for Tense, Mood and Aspect in exactly that order when they precede the verb and AMT when they follow the verb.
> Is it universal to all creoles because of Chomsky's LAD > (language aquisition device) which we all are supposed to > have in our heads?
I believe Chomsky used pidgins to demonstrate his theory?
> (Sounds a bit scary. Doctor to patient: I'm sorry, but > you have LAD... ;)
My son (15 months) is suffering from LAAD as well. He is copying intonation patterns right now.
> Or does it have something to do with the 'grammarlanguage' > (don't know the term)? > Does a creole with English and a bantulanguage as lexifier > and grammifier look different from an English/Chinese creole > regarding the grammar? > > Daniel Andreasson