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Arabic Phonetics WAS Re: Primary Interjections - Unversals?

From:Roger Christian <rogchr75@...>
Date:Monday, April 8, 2002, 7:27
> Welcome!
Thank you & Jan for the welcome! I am terribly impressed by the sense of etiquette and general kindness on this list--browsing through 60,000+ old messages, I've yet to see a flame.
> > system, I'll take Sindarin. However, the phone I'm > > proudest of being able to pronounce are the > > voiceless and voiced pharygeal fricatives. > > You manage to pronounce them?!!!! Well, you have my > full and complete > admiration. I've been trying for more than 10 years > and am still unable to > pronounce anything further back than the uvula, > except > for the glottal stop and > the aspirated h :((( (and even in front of the uvula > things are not that good :
Can you pronounce /th/ & /dh/? I've never met a French native speaker who could (even Quebecois).
> (( ).
> As you've probably seen, Arabic is one of those > languages which is quite liked > on the list. > > Christophe.
Well, those pharyngeals help me pick up Lebanese girls, and that's a very good thing. :) Seriously, I can't reliably get them out in mid-sentence, but isolated I can get it. I can call out a good enough "Ya MuHammad!" to get half of the guys on a Moroccan street to turn around. (The other half are named 'Ali. :) ) The best I can describe the trick to practicing (either voiced or voiceless) is to forget about your mouth altogether--just hold the position for low back vowel /a/. (It may also help to push your tongue against your bottom teeth, but keep it down.) Now, try to use the muscles just above your Adam's apple to push up, trying to create a sensation like choking. (If you put your hand on your throat you can feel it.) Now exhale to get the voiceless fric, or vocalize to get the voiced. That's my best shot. Maybe it will help. I actually find it somewhat easier (as a native Amer. English speaker) than a decent French uvular R. The /R/ is vastly harder for me than the stop /q/, for some reason, although I have no problems with a voiced velar fric. Anyway, maybe I will salvage being on topic if I say that I hope this inspires someone to use a voiced pharygeal fric in a conlang. :) I agree with what I have said here by many that the triliteral root system is fantastic, and I mean that rather literally. When I first learned about it I was quite incredulous. I can recommend a good Arabic dictionary to anyone interested in studying triliteral roots--the Hans Wehr is the way to go according to my former prof & his native speaker students. While the roots themselves are very fascinating, I've always been disappointed with the incompleteness and irregularities of forming the various Forms from the roots--it's pretty hard to tell what a derived form will mean, or even which ones will exist. The other thing that drives me nuts about Arabic is the crazy fact that the 2nd person masculine present tense and the 3rd person feminine present tense are exactly the same. Now there's an oddity I bet doesn't show up in many conlangs. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax


Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>