Re: USAGE: syllables
| From: | Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> |
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| Date: | Saturday, June 14, 2003, 6:27 |
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 12:44:06AM -0500, Thomas R. Wier wrote:
> Quoting Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>:
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> > Joseph Fatula wrote:
> > > I was under the impression that it was standard in English that /dw/ and
> > > /tw/ affricated to /dZw/ and /tSw/. Is this not the case?
> >
> > I don't think I've ever heard that. /dZr/ and /tSr/ for /dr/ and /tr/,
> > sure, but not with /w/.
I agree; I haven't heard of [dZw] <- /dw/. But I'm not sure how that
would apply to "Dvorak" anyway, since it's /dv/. (I pronounce
it ["dvOrZAk], which I know is not the correct native way of pronouncing
the /r/ . . .)
> I actually have a phonetic minimal pair concerning the latter
> phenomenon: for me, <train> is [tS,rei(n] /tre:n/, but
> [t,rei(n] for <terrain>.
The word "train" = /trein/ seems about equally likely to come out [trein] or
[tSrein] when I say it, depending on surrounding context, but it's always
one syllable, where "terrain" = ['tr\=r\ein] is two.
-Mark