Re: USAGE: syllables

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:58:30 -0700 JS Bangs <jaspax@...>
writes:
>
> > > I recently discovered that Old Yivrian is best described with
> three sonority
> > > classes:
> >
> > The grouping of [l] with stops rather than with [r]/[w] does seem
> odd.
> > But what is Old Yivrian?  I've not heard of it.
>
> The ancestor of Yivrian, my main conlang. The grouping of [l] with
> the
> stops is indeed odd, and provides support for the "Obstruent L"
> theory
> that I've bandied about sporadically. Basically, when it comes to
> syllable
> structure, /l/ consistently seems to pattern with the stops and not
> the
> liquids, almost all the way into Modern Yivrian. Thus, the Obstruent
> L
> hypothesis suggests that /l/ was articulatorily a stop at some point
> in
> the past. I don't know what it was, though, since all of the related
> languages that I know of have *l reflexed as plain ol' /l/.
maybe it has something to do with the fact that [l] is a lateral
approximant?  i tend to group lateral approximants with nasals, so maybe
that's what's happening here.  or it could be from something like [4]...

i kinsi rorotan, the sonority classes are:
1. fricatives
2. nasals and [r\]
3. [j] and [w]
4. vowels

and in kontoko they are:
1. fricatives
2. stops, nasals, [4] (< [l]), and [r\]
3. [j] and [w]
4. vowels

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