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Re: USAGE: syllables

From:Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
Date:Thursday, June 12, 2003, 20:55
"Mark J. Reed" wrote:
> A question: is the above sequence universal?
Yes.
> My subjective experience in producing the sounds would lead me to say > that fricatives were more sonorous than nasals or liquids
Sonorous means more like vowels. The higher the sonority, the more likely to be used as a syllabic. For example, English (at least in some dialects) allows nasals and liquids as syllabics, e.g., in "little" or "button". Not all dialects of English make those syllabic, of course.
> The grouping of [l] with stops rather than with [r]/[w] does seem odd. > But what is Old Yivrian? I've not heard of it.
Presumably the ancestor of Yivrian? I'd analyze that grouping of [l] as proof that [l] is descended from something else. It's in the same group as nasals, so one possibility is that [l] is derived from [n]. Yoruba, for example, uses [n] and [l] as allophones. -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42

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