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Re: Peculiarities of Silindion's Past Tense

From:Elliott Lash <erelion12@...>
Date:Thursday, August 12, 2004, 23:11
--- Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...> wrote:

> Nice morpho-phoemic processes and alternations you > have here. > And these suffixes are not predictable, but must be > learned for > each verb?
Well...I guess so. I mean, like I indicated in the examples I gave, there are tendencies. It's much easier to say which suffix will not occur on a given root than the other way around. That's why it's just better to memorize the form.
> > (Those whose extension is an "n" look like the > Root > > past tense with the suffix -në , and this might be > the > > origin of this odd suffix. They are different from > the > > verb neit- with its odd suffix, in that they have > the > > extension in many other forms as well) > > I see. The extension cannot be counted as part of > the past tense > suffix because it also occurs in other forms that do > not contain > a past tense suffix. Right?
Right, the extension occurs in the passive participle the anterior gerund, throughout the subjunctive and optative and sometimes in the imperfect. It does not occur in the present active, the passive present 3rd singular or the infinitve. Furthermore, most other participles and gerunds to not have it. It may optionally occur in the present participle, in some verbs, occording to stylistic differences. To take "ne-" as an example: ne-llë "to give" ne-(l)-ani "giving" (active participle) ne-na "giving" (gerund) en-ne-na "without giving" (abessive gerund) i-ne-na "while giving" (conjunctive gerund) ni "give" (imperative, irregular) nissë "give!" (imperative plural, irregular) ne-l-isë "after having given" (anterior gerund) ne-l-dë "given" (passive participle) etc. In contrast, the -në of the root neit- is confined solely to the past tense. Its anterior gerund is merely: neitisë "having increased", and it's past participle is: neitë "increased" One verb has a consonantal increase in the passive participle only, other forms lacking the increase: ra-llë "to have" passive participle: ra-n-dë (and not *ra-lë, as would be expected) This peculariaty is probably due to analogy with the consonantal extension verb "ya-" "to go". ya-llë "to go" -> ya-n-dë "gone"
> > This is really good stuff. I enjoyed it! Thanks!
You're very welcome, sometime soon, I hope to talk about the present tense and its strangeness. Elliott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around