Re: Personal Conjugation based on Closeness

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Andreas Johansson wrote:

> Quoting Tristan McLeay <zsau@...>:
> > That [&] at the end is a big no-no unless that syllable has the
> > primary
> > stress. (Which it doesn't.)
>
> It is? For RPoid English too? Well, I shan't claim that the English phonology
> education I've had has been in-depth.
I'm pretty sure. But I might be wrong. Better to ask a speaker of RPoid
English.

> > > When speaking Swedish, I'd render your name ['tr`Is:tan]. How bad does
> > that make
> > > you cringe?
> >
> > Not too bad. I much rather a [@] before the [n], though. (Why isn't
> > that
> > final [a] or [n] long? Doesn't Swedish need one to be long? Or is that
> > only in stressed syllables?)
>
> That only applies in stress syllables, yes.
>
> I'll happily supply a schwa in the second syllable when speaking English, but my
> Swedish 'lect won't have it. Could do ['tr`Is:tEn] where the [E] is kind of
> schwa-like.
Yes... [E] sounds more schwa-like. And I've been known to use /e/ for
/@/-like sounds when I can't do them in my own dialect (e.g. saying what
Kiwi pronunciations of words like 'Nick' and 'six' sound like).

> > It gets pronounced variously: ["tSr\Ist@n], ["tSr\ISt@n],
> > ["tSr\IStS@n]
<snipp>
> > you're likely to spell it <Tristian> or---worse---<Christian> (With no
>
> Why does the "s" get realized sometimes as [s], sometimes as [S]?
I'm guessing it's just remnants of the postalveolar [tS] before it
creeping forward. But it must also have something to do with the [t] after
it because not every word with [tSr] and [s] in it has the second [s]
realised as [S]. It could always be some odd influence from Trish, not
that it's a common name these days (it's a shortened form of Patricia,
btw).

> And BTW, you pronounce "Christian" (the adjective) with initial [tS]?
No, I pronounce it with /k/. But people sitll want to to spell (and hear)
/tSr/ as the first part of Christian. We've had this discussion before;
Shreyas complained that people heard his name as Treyas; I mentioned my
problem, then Christophe piped in with the fact that his family sometimes
(jokingly) pronounced his name with a /S/.

--
Tristan                  <kesuari@...>

War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
                      - fortune.

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