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Re: Bootstrapping a cooperative conlang

Date:Sunday, November 18, 2007, 16:58
In a message dated 11/17/2007 9:01:00 PM Central Standard Time,
fiziwig@YAHOO.COM writes:

> On the other hand, my original idea as to set up a collaborative environment > within which people (native to Earth) who do not necessarily share the same > (human) language or culture could collaborate on a (present-day, > earth-centric, > human) conlang project. Given that original purpose I think it is relatively > safe to assume that speakers of French, Japanese, and Bengali have almost all > had exposure to a mouse. Under these conditions, even a culture that worships > and reveres mice would recognize the image of a mouse, such an image being > necessarily free of cultural bias. (Unless, of course, the mouse worshiping > culture has only ever seen mice dressed in silk robes, in which case the > Mousarian priests and their followers would be excused from participating in > the project. ;) >
I imagine just about everybody recognizes a mouse. But what do they recognize when they see it? On the one hand, they may see it as a particular instance of soweli (Toki Pona), which also includes bears, elephants, dogs, and maybe seals and bats, or they may see it as a particular instance of one of these Yiklamu terms: akaz+noun=cactus_mouse/0 Peromyscus_eremicus/0=burrowing mouse of desert areas of southwestern U.S. alut+noun=vole/0 field_mouse/1=any of various small mouselike rodents of the family Cricetidae esp. of genus Microtus having a stout short-tailed body and inconspicuous ears and inhabiting fields or meadows atliq+noun=flying_mouse/0=tiny flying phalanger bamiq+noun=bat/0 chiropteran/0=nocturnal mouselike mammal with forelimbs modified to form membranous wings and anatomical adaptations for echolocation by which they navigate civno+noun=silky_pocket_mouse/0 Perognathus_flavus/0=small pale yellowish soft-furred rodent of southwestern U.S. and Mexico culil+noun=New_World_mouse/0= dipom+noun=pouched_mouse/0 marsupial_mouse/0 marsupial_rat/0=any of numerous small sharp-nosed insectivorous marsupials superficially resembling mice or rats ecliq+noun=mouse-eared_bat/0= edmaq+noun=field_mouse/2 fieldmouse/0=any nocturnal Old World mouse of the genus Apodemus inhabing woods and fields and gardens eftoq+noun=mousetrap/0=a trap for catching mice ejwoq+noun=pika/0 mouse_hare/0 rock_rabbit/1 coney/2 cony/2=small short-eared burrowing mammal of rocky uplands of Asia and western N America eyas+noun=sea_mouse/0=any of several large worms having a broad flattened body with a mat of coarse hairs covering the back fazop+noun=house_mouse/0 Mus_musculus/0=brownish-gray Old World mouse now a common household pest worldwide fitab+noun=forget-me-not/0 mouse_ear/2 Myosotis_scorpiodes/0=small perennial herb having bright blue or white flowers goplu+noun=hispid_pocket_mouse/0 Perognathus_hispidus/0=large stiff-haired rodent of shortgrass prairies of U.S. icmuq+noun=Mexican_pocket_mouse/0 Liomys_irroratus/0=large pocket mouse of Mexico ildeq+noun=mouse/0=any of numerous small rodents typically resembling diminutive rats having pointed snouts and small ears on elongated bodies with slender usu. hairless tails jigno+noun=shrew/0 shrewmouse/0=small mouselike long-snouted mammal related to moles jilgo+noun=Cerastium/0 genus_Cerastium/0=mouse-eared chickweed lanja+noun=mouse-ear_hawkweed/0 Pilosella_officinarum/0 Hieracium_pilocella/0=European hawkweed having soft hairy leaves; sometimes placed in genus Hieracium layug+noun=meadow_jumping_mouse/0 Zapus_hudsonius/0=widely distributed in northeastern and central U.S. and Canada lofni+noun=American_harvest_mouse/0 harvest_mouse/2=any of several small grayish New World mice inhabiting e.g. grain fields mapmu+noun=plains_pocket_mouse/0 Perognathus_flavescens/0=small rodent of open areas of U.S. plains states mewik+noun=white-footed_mouse/0 vesper_mouse/0 Peromyscus_leucopus/0=American woodland mouse with white feet and underparts ogab+noun=wood_mouse/0=any of various New World woodland mice palgu+noun=pygmy_mouse/0 Baiomys_taylori/0=very small dark grayish brown mouse resembling a house mouse; of Texas and Mexico pewab+noun=Mighty_mouse/0= pilci+noun=mouse/0=a hand-operated device that moves the cursor on a computer screen pisit+noun=mouse_nest/0 mouse's_nest/0=where mice bear and raise their young semom+noun=red-backed_mouse/0 redback_vole/0=any of several voles of mountainous regions of Eurasia and America sismu+noun=European_wood_mouse/0 Apodemus_sylvaticus/0=nocturnal yellowish-brown mouse inhabiting woods and fields and gardens tagoq+noun=dormouse/0=small furry-tailed squirrel-like Old World rodent that becomes torpid in cold weather towuq+noun=jerboa/0=mouselike jumping rodent umoc+noun=church_mouse/0= upim+noun=jumping_mouse/0=any of zeveral primitive mouselike rodents with long hind legs and no cheek pouches; of woodlands of Eurasia and N America usyaq+noun=tufted_titmouse/0 Parus_bicolor/0=crested titmouse of eastern and midwestern U.S. utyoq+noun=meadow_vole/0 meadow_mouse/0 Microtus_pennsylvaticus/0=widely distributed in grasslands of northern U.S. and Canada vuviq+noun=titmouse/0 tit/0=small insectivorous birds wabje+noun=hazel_mouse/0 Muscardinus_avellanarius/0= wadic+noun=Alpine_mouse-ear/0 Arctic_mouse-ear/0 Cerastium_alpinum/0=widespread in Arctic and on mts in Europe wegma+noun=Heteromyidae/0 family_Heteromyidae/0=small New World burrowing mouselike rodents with fur-lined cheek pouches and hind limbs and tail adapted to leaping; adapted to desert conditions: pocket mice; kangaroo mice; kangaroo rats wenja+noun=mouser/0=a cat proficient at mousing wevgu+noun=loir/0 Glis_glis/0=large European dormouse winuv+noun=mouse-ear_chickweed/0 mouse_eared_chickweed/0 mouse_ear/1 clammy_chickweed/0 chickweed/2=any of various plants related to the common chickweed wiwef+noun=mouse-tooth_forceps/0=a type of forceps wiwen+noun=pine_vole/0 pine_mouse/0 Pitymys_pinetorum/0=short-tailed glossy-furred burrowing vole of the eastern U.S. woban+noun=cotton_mouse/0 Peromyscus_gossypinus/0=large dark mouse of southeastern U.S. womfu+noun=rat/0=any of various long-tailed rodents similar to but larger than a mouse wucam+noun=chevrotain/0 mouse_deer/0=very small hornless deerlike ruminant of tropical Asia and west Africa wulze+noun=grasshopper_mouse/0=insectivorous mouse of western N America yadiv+noun=field_chickweed/0 field_mouse-ear/0 Cerastium_arvense/0=densely tufted perennial chickweed of N temperate zone yafev+noun=blue_tit/0 tomtit/0 Parus_caeruleus/0=widely distributed European titmouse with bright cobalt blue wings and tail and crown of the head yediq+noun=Minnie_mouse/0= yezon+noun=kangaroo_mouse/1=leaping rodent of Australian desert areas yiwij+noun=deer_mouse/0 Peromyscus_maniculatus/0=brownish New World mouse; most widely distributed member of the genus yobab+noun=Mickey_mouse/0= yomwo+noun=harvest_mouse/1 Micromyx_minutus/0=small reddish-brown Eurasian mouse inhabiting e.g. cornfields yowom+noun=Desmodus_rotundus/0=mouse-sized bat of tropical C and S America having sharp incisor and canine teeth; feeds on the blood of birds and mammals yozyo+noun=verdin/0 Auriparus_flaviceps/0=very small yellow-headed titmouse of Western N America yukli+noun=kangaroo_mouse/0 dwarf_pocket_rat/0=small silky-haired pouched rodent; similar to but smaller than kangaroo rats zigve+noun=click/0 mouse_click/0=depression of a button on a computer mouse: "a click on the right button for example" zuwod+noun=pocket_mouse/0=any of various small nocturnal burrowing desert rodents with cheek pouches and long hind legs and tail On the other hand, how many people can tell a mouse from a shrew? (The little critter keeps sneaking into my kitchen!) stevo </HTML>


Gary Shannon <fiziwig@...>