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"royaume" vs. "realm"? (was: French for "Kingdom")

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 23, 1998, 14:01
Christophe Grandsire wrote:

> No problem, it's "royaume". You weren't wrong. I've got a
question:
>does anyone know where "realm" comes from. I think it has the same origin
of
>the French "royaume", but I'd like to know your opinion.
I'm just guessing here, but might it be a primitive "re(g)aldom"? I'm just playing with the duplicity between the roots of "regal" and "royal". Let's see: 1. I don't know how the derivations went, but from Latin _rex_ we have now regal, regicide, etc. in English. The "royal" root is a French loan. 2. In Spanish, _real_ means both "real" and "royal"/"regal" (the king's). _Realeza_ is "royalty", etc. The middle consonant was suppressed. Something like this could have happened. 3. The change in French from _rei_ to _roi_ pronounced /roj/ -> /rwE/ -> /rwa/ dates to the 13th century IIRC. So English must have borrowed "realm" before that time, either from French or directly from Latin (it's a formal term, so it could be possible, right?). This is all guessing of course. But the final -m seems to be the clue. I just realized that my conlang Draseleq has a surprisingly similar suffix for territories, -(V)lm. The origin is a root OLMA-, variant ULMA-, meaning "house, dwelling place". BTW, where does English "-dom" come from? Is it from "dominion" or something like that? (And again, does it go back to Greek _domos_ "house"? This coincidence stuff is getting weird! :-) --Pablo Flores <http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/1021/language.html> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A(.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#P!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%(`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!#;VYS=')U8W1E9"!, M86YG=6%G97,@3&ES= !33510`$-/3DQ!3D= 0E)/5TY632Y"4D]73BY%1%4` M```>``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````&@```$-/3DQ!3D= 0E)/ M5TY632Y"4D]73BY%1%4````#`!4,`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````=```` M)T-O;G-T<G5C=&5D($QA;F=U86=E<R!,:7-T)P`````"`0LP`0```!\```!3 M3510.D-/3DQ!3D= 0E)/5TY632Y"4D]73BY%1%4```,``#D`````"P! .@$` M```"`?8/`0````0````````#DSD!"( '`!@```!)4$TN36EC<F]S;V9T($UA M:6PN3F]T90`Q" $$@ $`-P```%)E.B B<F]Y875M92(@=G,N(")R96%L;2(_ M("AW87,Z($9R96YC:"!F;W(@(DMI;F=D;VTB*0!"$0$%@ ,`#@```,X'"0`7 M``L``0````,`! $!(( #``X```#.!PD`%P`*`"H`"P`#`#<!`0F `0`A```` M-$0V-C$R-S1#034R1#(Q,3E#,CDT-#0U-3,U-# P,# `O@8!`Y &`,P&```2 M````"P`C```````#`"8```````L`*0```````P`V``````! `#D`X!(:F/KF MO0$>`' ``0```#<```!293H@(G)O>6%U;64B('9S+B B<F5A;&TB/R H=V%S M.B!&<F5N8V@@9F]R(")+:6YG9&]M(BD```(!<0`!````%@````&]YOJ8$G02 M9DY2RA'2G"E$15-4`````!X`'@P!````!0```%--5% `````'@`?# $````; M````9F9L;W)E<T!T874N=V%M86YI+F%P8RYO<F<```,`!A!LQOQ=`P`'$*8$ M```>``@0`0```&4```!#2%))4U1/4$A%1U)!3D1325)%5U)/5$4Z3D]04D]" M3$5-+$E44R)23UE!54U%(EE/55=%4D5.5%=23TY'259%1T]405%515-424]. M.D1/15-!3EE/3D5+3D]75TA%4D4B4D5!``````(!"1 !````+ 4``"@%```! M" ``3%I&=?NR[\3_``H!#P(5`J0#Y 7K`H,`4!,#5 (`8V@*P'-E=&XR!@`& MPP*#,@1&`@!P<')Q,2 (50>R`H!]?PJ ",\)V0* "H$-L0M@;N!G,3 S- K[ M$O$+\ID3H&]T!9 %0$-H!1 `<W1O<&AE($<Z<@!P9 "0%: 8#" @^G<9`CH* MAQ@O&3(*CQL(CCX<CQD4(19.;R 8\0$"8&5M+"!I="=%!" B`V!Y874'@")X M+B!9"& ;H 20"? GCP5 &[$74"- 22=V&@#"9QD0(&$@<0I0&;#.:0(@' \# MP3$X'Y\8]FQD;P>1`'!Y`B :`&MT;F\'X'<9\!6@(J%E\0= ;2(@!: '@@-2 M)'&H('1H"X!K(E$@$<"G!" K@!H`<V$'@" %L.QI9PN +-!F)=\F[QBZ/2Q2 M1B/!$; BJ") 8G6#!4 DD&0@;&EK&@#?&< I9"D@"' LT' +@"61/BXM?QM3 M,]\N@R20;2#\:G49L"30)5$`D!=0+ !K([$QE&TM`&@%0"OA8M\:`"4@$Z ' M<")@:22Q*B&X*&<I!T HL"IP/S:(/0M1>3=R`_ K@"Q#9'6I"U!I8R)@>3C1 M=".@?PGP+$,#8!D0!" M4"H29[\'0"J &D$BI#Z0,\9,$@#O(H$1\!OW'?4Q M*T(HL"/BG2ES:"F1/!,&<79A)8+_!" CH (P,90#4C_@0T$#H/)?%:!X7R.1 M+ $DL2F"?SY3(D ^43R1#; B0!(`8YLC0"TA11=0,C!S:"- _E09\3\%/:,B M4"CA,(85,+<`<#/&'?4R)'$#H%,>(/\#`$@`(D!%`0= 14 '@ 8BKP;@.^$J M(SZK+SY&*"Q2EFLW<2* *2- 7U(J0?AE>F%%0$E1/P0\P#&!YT<S2$(X4&1D M(A JD0" [P(@`' D`2PA<SQ@$Z W0?L)@"- 4RJQ*X(WD#(T*Y#[!" %H'4Z M0$6$$<!38 GP^U/!0)PS2"01L1=0&@`M(7<PE41310%I14 R@44`;S=982'" M*8!U,, )@" O00-@:B\@+3Y:T7?J15LF85L@9$- !Y$R@?DL4C$S.^%:H (P M"' \T/!)25)#4^)'ICA -N+[19,&X'(#8".@/N(J1#C@_P(0*?$K@$- *W ' M<4<1.]%O%$%$4S"5!;%D&H$90&S[/-!$62@B8R4@8.$`P ,@?QD@92 B0%*0 M*])51#CA<-YO-U$B`49Q.&(_3[! G/=(0$E125)L`R W)SX154';$>$C0$(Q MP2Q29@N 94%V+3:P0%%M7*,XX2Q28Y\*04I=*V VTRHR:7I:L9UA,VT\T%)A M%S(@1!HPPQ'P%8 G93EQ+ ,E(/U30'(Y,3=B8Z$`D#A0"V#G!<!30 W0:7AD M\F5B!1 +&< (@7,B0"TH5BD?*F!()"SE25-)`T],3;Q!+2) 0S '(5+15774 MNTRB-W(B0G VX#?A9".@/VE0-W(+45J@/V<=]4)4GE<B0"G$*+->EB(M.E+? M*I,J\SJ1:/%$-2(Z43-S/RJ !;%2D%0M0T ZD"A!_3[183YP"X!X`2C"*^$D MX'\QH #0*\ R@1H@"> KP%__.E%FT$5 =Z0Z@6C#!: +@/]&TEJ1+(!=L W0 M24)8$ ) !SN#65 +("$@.BTIXT"<'?4M+5 !H!4P,( 7%3$'D!WU/#B =' Z MJ"\O=XC +E@0;SRA-7.A+BJA+P<0*D U,:PO4RN0%: O%W RBC =%S)U?]!J MD#B ;6P^"T"<%,$`C0`#`! 0``````,`$1 !````0 `',( ";_?WYKT!0 `( ?,( ";_?WYKT!'@`]``$````%````4F4Z( ````#F#P`' ` end