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Re: Noun to Verb

From:Jim Grossmann <steven@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 4, 2001, 6:15
David wrote:

I don't know if these would be dealt with the same way, but you don't seem
to have what I
call "instance of action" nouns listed. This would be like a speech, a job,
a walk, a call, a
jump, etc. An idea for a basic derivation (that is, if it has to come from
the noun, and not
vice-versa--in Megdevi these particular nouns come from verbs) would be:
Noun:
Instance of action, e.g. a jump, a speech, a debate, a change of heart Verb:
To do such an
action, e.g. to jump, to speak/give a speech, to debate, to have a change of
heart.

Jim wrote:

Actually, I left "instance of action" nouns off the list because I wasn't
sure how to
analyze them.

In the cases I mentioned, it was clear to me that verbs were derived from
the nouns,
because the verbs had more complex meanings of which the meanings of the
nouns were
elements.   e.g.  from noun "baby" to verb "to have a baby."

The same isn't true of nouns that stand for instances of actions also
denoted by verbs.
The noun and the associated verb both stand for the same action.   "A
purchase" refers to
a specific instance of buying, but so does the verb "purchased" in "I
purchased the
record."

Rather than analyze Palo's noun for "purchase " as derived from a verb, or
the verb for
"purchase" as derived from a noun, I think I'm going to classify them as
"corresponding
verbs and nouns."   (Is there are more accurate technical term?)

I think I'll make nouns that stand for actions "portional-mass-plural"
nouns.   Nouns in
Palo are classified according to which of the six numbers they take, with
only adjectival
nouns taking all six.

Mass number is one of six distinct Palo numbers.   "Portional" is a distinct
singular form
for nouns that take mass number.  Plural we know.   (The other numbers are
singular,
neutral, and unique.)

So we have...

portional:   a purchase  (an instance of action noun)
mass:   purchasing (works sort of like an English gerund)
plural:   purchases  (an instance of action noun)

c.f.

portional:    a beer
mass:   beer
plural:   beers


BTW, David, "If it keeps on rainin', levee's gonna break" did not originate
with Led
Zeppelin.   Led Zep covered "When the Levee Breaks," which was written by a
blues
artist named Memphis Minnie.   I don't know whether the lyric orginated with
Memphis
Minnie or whether it had an earlier origin.