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Re: experimental crocodile phonology questions

From:Jeffrey Jones <jsjonesmiami@...>
Date:Monday, November 1, 2004, 3:27
Partly OT ....

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:56:03 -0300, Pablo Flores
<pablodavidflores@...> wrote:
> >On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:57:03 -0000, caeruleancentaur ><caeruleancentaur@...> wrote: >> I am presuming from the context that, by "sentient," you >> mean "speaking" as opposed to ordinary crocodiles that cannot speak. >> >> In reality, the word "sentient" does not mean that. It means >> either "conscious" or "experiencing feeling or sensation." Thus, >> ordinary crocodiles are, indeed, sentient. > >I've seen the word "sentient" used as a synonym of "self-conscius", >i. e. "aware of _ego_" a lot. That's common use in science fiction, >along with the much less common "sapient". > >> P.S. When the Buddhists speak of the Buddha saving all sentient >> beings, they are not referring just to humans, but to all animate >> life.
And, for some Buddhists, plants and minerals etc. are included indirectly, since life and environment are said to be basically unified.
>I was thinking, "how can a non-self-conscious animal be saved?", >when I realized that reaching salvation (Nirvana) implies abolishing >self-consciousness. Could you elaborate?
I don't see a reply. I'm not clear about that variety of Buddhism. Do you mean becoming unaware of self or becoming aware of non-self?
>ObConlang: >I'm also remembering the character in (Delany's?) _Babel-17_ who >had no awareness of self (or the 1st/2nd/3rd person split for that >matter). Has somebody tried a conculture/conlang without that >distinction?
Not yet! All of my *current* projects are supposed to have personal affixes/pronouns at some point. But a *new* project perhaps .... I think the Butcher *did* make a distinction, using some kind of sign language (although perhaps not consciously) and eventually learned how to use personal pronouns (that passage in chapter IV of part 3 is amusing), despite Babel-17 not making the distinction.
> >--Pablo