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Not just Cockney,bruv! (was: Revised Eastern Vowel Orthography)

From:Tom Wier <artabanos@...>
Date:Monday, May 24, 1999, 22:16
"Raymond A. Brown" wrote:

> >Would these be the same infamous people Der Spiegel likes to call > >"die Hooligans" (seen at soccer games)? > > Not necessarily - tho they certainly are bovver boys. But the term > includes any troublesome street gang, whether associated with soccer or not. > > >> But the shifts [T] -> [f] and [D] -> [v] have long since just been confind > >> to Cockney; it is found generally in colloquial speech throughout the whole > >> of the greater London area and beyond. It is common in urban colloquial > >> speech of south-east Wales (where I lived & worked for 22 years) and, I > >> believe, urban colloquial speech in some other areas. > > > >Any chance of it spreading, you think? > > The evidence here would indeed suggest that it is spreading, especially > among the urban young. Whether it will make it across the Atlantic is a > different matter :)
Hmm, curious. Is it more of a class dialect thing, or is it becoming general among all young urbanites? I somehow doubt that American dialects (or for that matter Canadian, Australian, South African, etc.) would ever have enough contact with the British for it to make a discernible impact on their speech patterns, despite British television and radio programming overseas. =========================================== Tom Wier <artabanos@...> AIM: Deuterotom ICQ: 4315704 <> "Cogito ergo sum, sed credo ergo ero." ===========================================