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Re: gl > gr attested in Romance?

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Sunday, February 25, 2007, 15:05

First of all, thanks for all the helpful input from all who replied.
I was very busy checking dictionaries etc. from the input I god, and
of course, with conlanging.  I worked the whole day yesterday to get
the initial version of the sound changes and phonology and
morphophonology right, so I reply a little late.

Isaac Penzev writes:
> Henrik Theiling wrote: > > Is the sound shift /gl/ > /gr/ and/or /kl/ > /kr/ attested in Romance? > > I remember once I read in "Introduction to Romance Philology" that some > Italian dialects have _groia_ for L 'gloria', but I can't find the exact > quotation...
I looked it up in my new dictionary I bought after BPJ recommended it a few weeks ago: the dictionary of Italian dialects. The work is not listed, nor are any examples of gl > gr. However, by accident when reading in the Sicilian language Wikipedia, I found that 'English' is 'ngrisi'. So there's at least Ngl > Ngr. It also has 'nfruenzu' for 'influence' and 'ripubbrica' for 'republic'. Wrt. to the mentionaed r..r dissimilation: I totally forgot it. Embarrassing, I know. I then decided to include it and let it prevent the mentioned gl>gr shift (and the corresponding others, too). So GLORIA > 'glorie'. Further, the r..r dissimilation works as a progressive rule, so ARBOREM > 'arbul' in my new lang, not 'albur', although that's also quite sexy, I must admit. Ah, and since I desided to not have any palatalisation, the Latin /Nn/ will not be shifted to /Jn/ or anything. So the effect is that lat. RE:GNUM > 'ringle' (together with the aforementioned rule). Another thing: I intend to include the southern italian drop of unstressed initial i and maybe e, but only if a valid initial cluster results, where initial clusters are most inherited from Latin plus nasal+clusters starting with a plosive (Siciliano allows much more). So e.g. IMPERIUM > 'mperie', ITALIA > 'Talie'. This is similar to Sicilian, which has 'mperu' and 'talianu' (but 'Italia', I guess by influence of Italian). 'Mpiraturi dû Sacru Rumanu Mperu' -- very nice. :-) If you have more ideas, don't hesitate to braindump. **Henrik