Re: Basics

hi!
"don't mind the piglatin" lol
indeed most scientists may be high-skilled in their compartment,
their latin is seldom very advanced.
anyway my english is not the best as well so i better dont complain
:-)
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yes very helpful the list.
i guess -after collecting the full list of usefull relations-
one brainteaser is to create for all of those relations (and
even more)
short relations-neologisms or , even shorter, inflections to overbear
the psychic principle "simplicity over accuracy",
and make it possible to set the rules for un-ambigues and short
compound-words. the ding-dong-ditch of compound-words is attractive.
the speaker should not be in any way delayed for using the
more accurate relation-words/infelctions.
e.g. "my mothersister" is too ambigous
     "my sister of my mother" is too long
how to balance both out ?
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fully agree:=fa
partly agree:=pa

>>possessive: `the father's car'.
fa
"the car of the father" in reversed order.
the order is not always that unrestricted.
but its not redundant because the speaker wants to emphasize
the father. in speech we use forward-pressing and intonation of the certain word we
want to emphasize.

>>anti-possessive: `the slave's master'.
fa
sounds weird we are not used to think that way but perhaps its usefull.
"the man's wife" gets a hidden sense now                ;-)
posessed by, as passive form.
i would call it possesive.passive because "anti" can be falsely understood as "not/negation".
and perhaps its omit-able  with usage of a universal morphem for the term "passiv".

>>ancestral: `the father's son'.
only for social antecedents or even for precursors or pioneers ?
perhaps father/mother/son etc is expressing the ancestral relation already,
and "of" works just as a dummy here.

>>equally-related: `the sister's brother'.
merges with ancestral ?

>>partitive.quantitative: `a cup of tea', `drei von zehn' = `three out of ten'.
yes dosage. part is definite, pool is not definite.
>>partitive.selectative: `father of the family'.
fa, its what i call "part-of-the-pool" . part and pool is definite
>>partitive.aggregative: `family of the father'.
fa, its what i call "pool-of-the-part" . part and pool is definite

additionally i would use a short morphem for the meaning "entire,total,complete"
for general usage. here:
to distinct "person1 and person2 are members of the group"
and         "person1 and person2 are *the only* members of the group"

>>congregative `group of people'.
partitive.aggregative ?
the group is a definite quantum of the people.
the family is a definite quantum of the relatives.

>> final (`Kaffeetasse' = `a cup for coffee').
yes. purpose=finalis
"a cup for coffee"
the cup intended-for coffee.
*intention* plays a big role and an underestimated one in speech imo
e.g. "the driver for the car" = the driver intended for the car
btw:
"a cup of coffee" is imo a cup full of coffee,
we abbreviate as well as when we say ,
nachtmusik is by mozart, where "by" is a mundane abbreviation for "(was) made by"
so , again "of" acts as a mere connector of 2 words.

>> subjective and objective: genitive with gerund (or a
>> normal verb that is used as a noun) object and subject
>> binding (ambiguity in Englisch (same in German):
>>`betrayal of a 14-year old': object or subject?).
fa
of-the-object-which-is ; of=by-the-subject-which-is
betrayal by-the-subject-which-is 14-year old = the 14-year old person     betrayed
betrayal of-the-object-which-is  14-year old = the 14-year old person was betrayed
maybe both can be expressed adopting the nominative and accusative markers/inflections/prepositions

>> initiative: agent of a predicate whose object is given: `driver of the car'.
of=of-the-object-which-is
again accusative ? driver of-the-object-which-is car.


>> locative: `street festivals of New York'.
of=attribute-of
perhaps a mixture of attributive and locative ?
the locative preposition "in" wouldnt be wrong, but i guess
thats not exactly the point. as well as "lifestyle of newyork" is not
fixed on the location of new york, its rather a typical attribut of newyork.
this lifestyle may exist in other city's than new york.

>> appositional: `city of New York'.
of=which-is. relative ?
new york is here an instance of the term "city"
the city, which is newyork.
"the empire state building is a skyscraper" <- empire state building is an instance of the class
we call skyscraper


regards,
c.s.

concerning "because-of" :

"cause and effect I":  unintended,forced,inanimate cause and effect.
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cause and effects which happen without reason, without intentions.
the inanimate nature does not decide wether to do something or not.
e.g. "becauseI" the tree fell down it broke the car.
the advantage of this distinction is for example the fact,
that everybody knows now that the speaker assumes that the tree fell down in an accident,
and wasnt chopped down by anyone.

"cause and effect II": wilful,non-forced,intented,animate cause and effect.
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intention and reason with which creatures and humans decide.
and effects which are proposed to happen.
e.g. "becauseII" i felt thirsty i drank the cup of tee.
behaviour is usually effect of the cause "intention".

concerning ??:

expression of/expressed by (outer-assignment/inner-assignment)
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example 1: expression of a certain feeling is a certain
feeling-carrier(e.g. a certain behaviour)
vice versa:a certain feeling-carrier is an expression of a certain feeling

example 2: expression of a certain meaning is a certain
meaning-carrier(e.g. a certain word)
vice versa:a certain meaning-carrier is an expression of a certain meaning

"certain" substitute-able with a morpheme for the term "definite"







notizen logischer verhältnisse:

Bezeichnung       Inhalt                         Frage
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definitivus       Definition                     ---
obiectivus        Angabe eines Objektes          ---
partitivus        Das Ganze eines Teils wo von?  wessen?
possessivus       Besitzangabe                   wessen?
pretii            Wertangabe                     ---
qualitatis        Eigenschaft                    ---
subiectivus       Angabe des Subjektes           ---
Als Objekt        Objekt                         wem?
commodi/incommodi Interesse                      für wen?
auctoris          logisches Subjekt              ---
possessivus       Besitzer                       wem?
finalis           Zweck                          wozu?
Als Objekt        Objektangabe                   wen? was?
adversativ        Raum-/Zeitstrecke              wie hoch? wie tief? wie lang? wie breit?
adversativ        Ziel                           wohin?
doppelter Akk.    Prädikatsnomen                 wozu?
causae            Grund                          weshalb
(effectus)        Wirkung                        ---
comparationis     Vergleich                      ---
instrumentalis    Mittel und Werkzeug            womit? wodurch?
limitationis      Beziehung                      in welcher Hinsicht?
locativus         Ortsangabe                     wo?
mensurae          Maß des Unterschieds           um wie viel?
modi              Art und Weise                  wie? wodurch?
qualitatis        Eigenschaft                    ---
separativus       Trennung                       woher? wovon?
sociativus        Begleitung                     mit wem?
temporis          Zeitpunkt                      wann?