Re: Weird case marking patterns
|From:||John Vertical <johnvertical@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, March 25, 2006, 20:46|
>>Are you trying to say we could add "verbs" as the topmost entry of
>>this hierarchy? A bit counterintuitive, but why not, if it works.
>I'm not saying anything like that. The Nominal Hierarchy has
>to do with NPs' capability of functioning as agents. Verbs
>can't function as agents. What does happen is that the
>"agentness" of the verb arguments gets marked on the verb.
No, I know the nominal animacy hierarchy has several uses; it's just that
according to what you quoted, verbs < nouns with regards to tendency for
erg/abs rather than nom/acc marking; and nouns would be subdivided exactly
according to their animacy. Furthermore, the existence of split-S languages
shows that verbs also have a subdivision of active verbs < stative verbs.
Yes, the actual marking ends up in the nouns, but it's the verbs that govern
>If I recall Trask correctly Basque auxiliaries are
>ergatively marked. Main verbs usually only exist in
Now this was the sort of stuff I was asking about. So would this mean verbs
proper < auxiliaries?
I also thought of a setup similar to what you were suggesting for Sohlob.
You added an inst/abs section above the erg/abs section, thus getting three
divisions of the scale. Another way to get three divisions would be to
instead add something between nom/acc and erg/abs. Frex, nom/acc agreement
on verbs, tripartite pronouns, and erg/abs nouns.
I can't just now think of anything that could be added below nom/acc, nor if
analogous ditransitiv alignment division would be possible, but I'll keep
the idea in mind. I have a project where something like this would fit