Re: USAGE: French nasal vowels
|From:||Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>|
|Date:||Friday, October 9, 1998, 15:45|
At 09:58 09/10/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Christophe Grandsire wrote:
>> I must agree with Mathias (I don't even find any difference between
>> 'en' and 'in',
>There is none, except of course that "chien" is /SjE~/ and
>"brin" is /bRE~/; in other words, there is a /j/ glide in "chien"
>that is not present in "brin".
>> I know it's done in Portuguese, but when I try to speak it, I
>> must spend at least a minute in order to give my mouth the correct
>Sure. Portuguese has a genuine [i~] which does not exist in
>French; French has only [E~], [O~], and [A~] plus marginally [oe~].
>> It also reminds me of a strange adventure of mine. I realized just
>> some months ago that when I was younger, I made a real difference between
>> 'un' and 'in' (I really made a difference between 'brun' (brown) and 'brin'
>> (I don't know the word in English))
>> but I lost it and now can hear the
>> difference, but have difficulties to say it. Is it a consequence of the
>> evolution of French?
>Almost certainly. The vowel /oe~/ as in "brun" is disappearing
>from the language and will probably be gone in 30-40 years as
>older speakers die off, making "brin" and "brun" exactly the same.
>There are almost no minimal pairs anyhow. (This may not apply to
>Canadian French, I don't know.)
As far as I know, Canadian French is very different to "French French" as
for pronunciation. As C. French is more conservative than F. French, I
wouldn't be surprised if the pair 'un'/'in' was conserved in Quebec.
>John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
> You tollerday donsk? N. You tolkatiff scowegian? Nn.
> You spigotty anglease? Nnn. You phonio saxo? Nnnn.
> Clear all so! 'Tis a Jute.... (Finnegans Wake 16.5)