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Biwa (was: YAC: ...)

From:Carlos Eugenio Thompson Pinzón <chlewey@...>
Date:Monday, October 30, 2000, 17:34
Daniel Andreasson skrev:

>If there is one thing to say about your langs, Carlos, >it is that your orthography is always so cool! You go >all the way. I wouldn't have the guts to do so. I'd >forget how it's pronounced in a sec. > >{ ýr } for /9Yr`/, { pov } for /pow/, etc. The most >beautiful word is { cij } for /ki/. I think I'll adopt >the { -ij } for words ending in [i] in Rinya. And I >might just change the palatal consonant { y } to { j } >as well, and save the { y } for the vowel. > >I was very impressed by your artistic reform of >English orthography, even though I didn't say anything >at the time.
Thank you.
> > Personal pronouns: (unnumbered, singular, dual, plural) > > Note that animates use nominative for the subject of > > intransitive verbs, while inanimates use absolute for > > the subjects of intransitive verbs. > >Aha. So you have a split-ergative lang. Where exactly is >the line drawn between animate and inanimate? > >Come to think of it, this is almost like an active / >split-S lang, since the split only applies to >intransitives, but with a very unusual reason for the >split; animate / inanimate. > >Could you clarify this system a bit further? It seems >really interesting.
Even if I'm not assigning this language to any culture yet, it is designed as it has a history. Part of this history would be that it was originally an active language that became isolating, but pronouns still reflects the origin as active language with a split ergative. The line between animate and inanimate (real or neutral) could be defined by: - Humans are animate - High order animals are animate - Some low order anumals are animate - Groups of people are usually animate, at least if they had an identity: nations, corporations... - Gods, spirits and other such things are animate. - Most abstract concepts are neutral - Abstract nouns derived from verbs are neutral. - Concepts you would call "things", chances are they are real. - Some plants and fruits are real, other are neutral... a few are animate. - There are exceptions About the ortography, it also reflects a history, but some of the features would suggest a Latin origin, with {v} for /w/ and {c} for /k/. A posible evolution could lead into somthing like long/ short vowels evolving different. Well, I'll decide a temporal name for this language: Biwa, from {biva} /biw@/ "language", Biwa in English. Probably Old Biwa had long and short vowels: i i: y y: u u: e e: 2 2: o o: a a: but those vowels had different evolution: i -> 1 i: -> i: -> i y -> y y: -> 2:H -> 9Y e -> E e: -> e: -> e 2 -> 9 2: -> @\: -> @ a -> V a: -> A: -> A o -> O o: -> o:w -> ow u -> U u: -> }: -> } But history could have been different: probably there was only seven original vowels which were lengthened in open syllables, and then evolved as shown above... Something I had not mention yet is that in Modern Biwa, length patterns have changed, and checked vowels (1, y, E, 9, V, O, U) are long or semi-long before certain consonants such as lenis stops. /p/, /t/, /k/ vs /b/, /d/, /g/ are actually fortis vs lenis and not voiceless vs voiced. -- Carlos Th _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at