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Re: Spanish ll in different dialects

From:Elyse M. Grasso <emgrasso@...>
Date:Sunday, August 29, 2004, 14:52
On Sunday 29 August 2004 09:25 am, Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 12:53:02AM -0400, David Peterson wrote: > > <humor> > > " 'We', white man?" > > -Tanto to the Lone Ranger after the latter said, "Looks like we're > > surrounded!", > > upon discovering that they were surrounded by "Indians".</humor> > > Nit: spelled "Tonto", despite being pronounced as an Americanized > version of /' I don't know if the use of the Spanish word for > "fool" was deliberate. > > -Marcos, who had a dream the other night that Jay Silverheels really > wanted to be a classical musician
One of the subgroups of the Apache are the Tonto Apache, whose (original?) territory was in and around the Tonto Basin (Range? there's a Western novel titled "Under the Tonto Rim") . The insult is of course probably deliberate: they probably didn't call themselves the Tonto. (Or maube their name for themselves sounded a little like Tonto to their Spanish speaking enemis.) And the territory was probably named after them rather than vice versa. On the other hand, there is a persistent rumor that Kemo Sabe also means idiot (or something worse) in some language or other... ObConlang: During the Occupation, the Shayanans were always careful to use the long form of the name of the Imperial Security Police instead of the short form that was equivalent to KGB or Gestapo. They used the short form among themselves with considerable satisfaction, though. The short form, when mutated through Shayanan pronunciation, sounds exactly like FENFI, a common word for a blood-sucking swamp parasite (approx. = leech). Cue running jokes about truth in advertising... -- Elyse Grasso The World of Cherani Station Cherani Tradespeech


John Cowan <jcowan@...>Tonto and Kemo Sabe (was: Spanish ll ...)