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Re: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...>
Date:Friday, February 6, 2004, 21:25
On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 01:16  PM, Christophe Grandsire wrote:

> En réponse à Amanda Babcock : > > >> In other words, the various kinds of rhotic sounds, though they may >> have nothing else in common, all reproduce some small fragment of a >> growl, >> and are thus perceived as alike by some very old part of our sound- >> perceptual mechanism. > > Indeed. IIRC (someone better versed in acoustics can correct me if I'm > wrong), all sounds called "rhotic" have something in common (I have in > my head the phrase "low second formant", but it's probably wrong :)) > ).
It is wrong, but you're close; a lowered third formant is the cue for rhotacization. A lowered second formant is the cue for backness (more precisely, it's the difference between the second and first formant).
> Anyway, they have all acoustically something in common. Why they > appear so different from each other is that this common trait can be > produced in many different ways, but is always perceived the same. So > rhoticity, acoustically speaking, is a very well-defined phenomenon, > not something vague. It's a very specific acoustic phenomenon which > just to be produced in a variety of ways which don't otherwise seem to > have something in common.
Exactly. Dirk -- Dirk Elzinga "I believe that phonology is superior to music. It is more variable and its pecuniary possibilities are far greater." - Erik Satie