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Re: definite/indefinite articles

From:Sally Caves <scaves@...>
Date:Monday, March 31, 2003, 6:17
Gotcha!

Sally Caves
scaves@frontiernet.net
Eskkoat ol ai sendran, rohsan nuehra celyil takrem bomai nakuo.
"My shadow follows me, putting strange, new roses into the world."



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cowan" <cowan@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: definite/indefinite articles


> Sally Caves scripsit: > > > The definite or indefinite articles not only give information about the > > specificity of a thing (has it been mentioned before? is it new? is it
right
> > here?), > > Definiteness isn't quite the same as specificity, though they are related. > Definiteness has to do with whether the listener is expected to be able > to determine what is referred to: when I say "A man went into the room", > I don't expect you to know what man I mean, whereas if I say "The man > went into the room", I do expect it. > > Specificity, on the other hand, has to do with whether the listener can > apply independent standards to determine what is referred to, or the > only useful source of understanding is the speaker. In general,
definiteness
> implies specificity, but not vice versa. In particular, "A certain man" > is indefinite (as the article shows) but specific: you can't tell which
man
> is meant unless you ask the speaker. > > ObConlang: Lojban marks specificity on its articles, which come in > specific and non-specific flavors; the marking of definiteness is optional > and usually omitted. > > Kudos to And for explaining this distinction to me and the Lojban
community
> some years back. > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
cowan@ccil.org
> To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There > are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the
language
> that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. > --_The Hobbit_ >