Re: [wEr\ Ar\ ju: fr6m] ? [4] is what??

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, SuomenkieliMaa wrote:

> > > Robert Hailman wrote:
> > > >> > /t_hVrOnt_ho/ - Toronto
> > > (and H.S.Teoh suggested: [t_hVrOno])
>
> Wow, I would second Robert Hailman's version myself.
> H.S. Teoh's rendition I've heard, but I thought it was
> rather slangy...
And to think, I was told a while ago that someone from Toronto putting the
second T in it would be like someone from Cairns [k_hE:_~nz] (city in Qld,
Australia) pronouncing it /kA:nz/ (although I've never heard anyone use
the latter, so I think the analogy is slightly broken).

> > > [t_hVrA~4o], fast [trA~4o]
>
> Wow again, what is [4] supposed to symbolize??  And
> the tilde???  I'm clueless...
The [4] is an alveolar tap, `fish hook "r"'. The ~ signifies nasalisation
on the previous sound. If you want more, search google for 'X-Sampa'.
Either the first or the second link is a link to the X-Sampa wepage where
you can find out about X-Sampa in more depth.

Tristan