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Re: Unmarked definiteness

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Monday, August 23, 2004, 21:10
Andreas Johansson wrote:

> That naturally made me think > of the marginal presence of short [e] in Swedish,
Not in all lects.
> which in turn brought to mind > the loss of the /r/ in words like __erkänna_ in rapid speech. From loss of > consonants to my late grandfather's 'lect the step was pretty much inevitable. > > And then I realized something nifty about that 'lect I do not believe I've ever > reflected over before, namely that, for certain nouns, the definite form is > simply the most basic form of the stem, while the indefinite is marked by a > preceeding article. Eg [e: o:] "a river" vs [o:] "the river". In standard, this > would be [En o:] vs [o:n], with explicit markers for both, but this 'lect > doesn't like final nasals.
My Bohuslänska register, and to a lesser extent my Gothenburgish register have definite = indefinite for all non-neuter nouns ending in -a.
> > Now, while it's not hard to see how this state of affairs came about - phonetic > change simply ate the definite marker alive, but only snatched a leg from the > indefinite one - but nonetheless seems remarkable; normally, we'd expect the > indefinite to be the less marked form, wouldn't we? Is there any other > languages which do the same?
As we say: ANADEW -- perhaps also AONADEW: AnOther Natlang Alraedy Did it Even Worse?
> > Andreas > >
-- /BP 8^) -- B.Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant! (Tacitus)

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