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Re: Welsh "w" and "y"

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 6:01
On Tuesday, October 26, 2004, at 02:57 , Christian Thalmann wrote:

> --- In, Ray Brown <ray.brown@F...> wrote: > >> "land, country", gwn- [gwn] as in _gwneud_ [gwn@jd] "to make, to > do" and > > Is |eu| always [@j], or only after labialization? I would > have expected [ej]...
Welsh doesn't have [ej], nor indeed does 'Welsh English'. In Wales as in some pats of England & Scotland, a word like "game" is pronounced [ge:m]. Welsh has in fact borrowed the word and spells it _gêm_. The diphthong |ei| is always [@j] as is |eu| in the south. In north Wales, the semi-vocalic element tends towards the high center rather than high front, but it begins [@].
> > >> (a) CLEAR >> This is exactly the same as Welsh |u|, that is a high central unrounded >> vowel in the north nnd exactly like |i| in the south. > > Then a spelin reeform replacing all clear |y| with |u| is > practically inevitable. =P
Nope - nothing's inevitable in natlangs :)
> Would it hurt to write |dyn| > as |dun|?
Not a great deal, but the plural is |dynion| ['d@njOn]; the Welsh feel happier with |dyn| ~ |dynion| :)
> Speaking of spelin reeforms... I just had a deeper look > at that Irish Gaelic Kauderwelsch booklet... argh! > Irish never fails to give me a headache! =\
:) Ray =============================================== =============================================== Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of the reason." [JRRT, "English and Welsh" ]