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Re: i cant seem to understand mora

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Monday, December 31, 2007, 2:46
Codas in Latin are moraic?  Huh.  I havent studied latin verse, but i
would not have guessed that to be the case.  I know that codas are
moraic in Japanese...

On 12/30/07, Dirk Elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...> wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2007 5:32 PM, Reilly Schlaier <schlaier@...> wrote: > > > i cant quite get my head around the idea > > why the onset consonant doesnt count > > and why the coda is sometimes a mora and sometimes not > > > > Yes, they are puzzles. It has been argued for one language (I think it was > Arrernte) that onsets can be relevant in stress placement. IIRC, the first > syllable is stressed unless it has no onset, in which case the second > syllable is stressed. But don't quote me on this; I'm pretty fuzzy on the > facts and a quick Google check didn't reveal any confirming or contradictory > information. > > As for coda consonants being moraic or not; this is a genuine option allowed > languages. For example, codas in Latin are moraic, but codas in Shoshoni > are not (Shoshoni is a Uto-Aztecan language spoken throughout much of the > North American Great Basin; it is the language I do my field work on). It's > usually very easy to tell if a language has moraic codas. If the stress > pattern of a language is "quantity-sensitive" (that's the technical term), > then stress will be attracted to heavy syllables. If the only syllables that > attract stress are those with long vowels but not those with coda > consonants, then codas are not moraic. This is exactly what happens in > Shoshoni: > > nátsattàmahkànte 'tied up' > óosàantò'ippeh 'rusty' > > (I'm using the practical orthography: <ts> is an affricate (alveolar for > Western Shoshoni, interdental for Goshute), <hk> a voiceless velar > fricative, and <e> a high central unrounded vowel; doubly written vowels and > consonants are long) > > Stress in Shoshoni falls on odd-numbered moras, counting from the left edge. > Note that while the geminate <tt> in 'tied up' closes the second syllable > and opens the third, it doesn't make the second syllable heavy. In 'rusty', > the long vowels are stressed because they are each two moras. > > Dirk >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>


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