Re: OT: Latin subject-verb agreement

Oh, and "I, who is" sounds utterly wrong to me, for the record.  I can
much more readily accept "I, who are", though I would never say it..


On 12/13/07, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote:
> "Ungrammatical" according to English textbooks, sure, but we're
> talking about real live English as she be spoke.  "I, who are" sounds
> weird to me, but I can see where it would work, along the same lines
> as "Aren't I?'
>
> Note that I misremembered my TKD earlier - the "as for noun, pronoun
> is..." gloss only applies to the copula, which uses the personal
> pronouns as verbs.  So the question of noun subjects with 1st/2nd
> perdon verb prefixes is not as clear-cut as I supposed.
>
>
> On 12/13/07, Jeff Rollin <jeff.rollin@...> wrote:
> > In the last episode, (On Thursday 13 December 2007 01:55:06), T. A. McLeay
> > wrote:
> > > David J. Peterson wrote:
> > > > Mark:
> > > > <<
> > > > Given the gloss in TKD for third-person nominal subjects ("As for the
> > > > captain, he is on the bridge"), I see no reason why nouns should be
> > > > disallowed for other persons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know, there's kind of a similar phenomenon in English
> > > > regarding relative clauses.  Consider:
> > > >
> > > > I, who am a captain, prefer to wear briefs.
> > > > ?*I, who is a captain, prefer to wear briefs.
> > > >
> > > > I'd say that's pretty straightforward, but then...
> > > >
> > > > ?!?*You can give the book to me, who am a captain.
> > > > ?You can give the book to me, who is a captain.
> > > >
> > > > I have no explanation for any of this other than that English is
> > > > broken.
> > >
> > > Apparently my English has fixed this because "I, who am a captain, ..."
> > > is weird and at least questionable, if not outright wrong. Both "I, who
> > > is a captain, ..." and "I, who are a captain, ..." are better, but
> > > neither are good.
> > >
> >
> > I have to disagree. "I, who is a captain", could surely only be used of a
> > person whose name is "I", whilst "I, who are a captain" is just plain
> > ungrammatical. Singular subject, singular complement, plural verb? Come
> > on. "I, who am a captain"? Much better.
> >
> > Jeff.
> >
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> >
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